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Old 06-19-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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"They" refers to the ONLY group of immigrants, legal and illegal, who openly and PROUDLY spit on, disrespect and burn our flag during public marches or protests.

"They" refers to the ONLY group of immigrants, legal and illegal, who publicly threaten us with violence if we enforce our laws and don't bow down and ignore the illegal crossing of our borders.

This is excatly like the situation going on in the UK, France, the Netherlands and the rest of Europe. The only difference is that in Europe and the UK its the Muslims doing it.
Muslims and Mexicans ("M & M"s), the miscreants to world society?...

I thought we covered that "burn our flag" thing in another topic (with the same videos, "they" sure make the rounds). Aren't you demonizing an entire ethnicity, even presuming that they are immigrants (and from Mexico). Tone down the hyperbole.

How many times do we have to have a topic come up with the same videos and objections?...
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Freedom of speech...they can threaten us, but heaven forbid we said a smidge of what they did -- we would be racists, xenophobes, haters and probably arrested to boot!

Oh yep you be right! really you speak the truth, boy what truth it is. Gosh forbid as you say we say something, we are now the bad guys, something very wrong with this picture. They really do not need to be here, they want to act in this manner, why be here, we could not pull half the crap that is pulled on us in their Country, and live to tell about it, know what i mean. I do know what i mean, i have mexican friends who live there, and i here it all, and then some.
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Old 06-19-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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What do you all think would happen, if we all got together, and did these same things to their flag. Put it on the news, in the newspaper, on the major news channels, what would happen! what would be said of all of us, would we be able to get away with it, or would the riot police be brought in.
I can just imagine what would be said about us, and we would be racists, most likely, so why do we allow such people to get away with these things unrespectuful things that they do why!
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Muslims and Mexicans ("M & M"s), the miscreants to world society?...

I thought we covered that "burn our flag" thing in another topic (with the same videos, "they" sure make the rounds). Aren't you demonizing an entire ethnicity, even presuming that they are immigrants (and from Mexico). Tone down the hyperbole.

How many times do we have to have a topic come up with the same videos and objections?...
MOST illegal aliens here are Mexican and Muslims have a bad rep in Europe. Hurts to say it but its the truth.
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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Muslims and Mexicans ("M & M"s), the miscreants to world society?...

I thought we covered that "burn our flag" thing in another topic (with the same videos, "they" sure make the rounds). Aren't you demonizing an entire ethnicity, even presuming that they are immigrants (and from Mexico). Tone down the hyperbole.

How many times do we have to have a topic come up with the same videos and objections?...
The only "miscreats" out of those two groups are the illegal alien Mexicans and the extremists Muslims. So no need for the vicim mentality card to be played about these entire groups.

There are Americans of Mexican descent that are loyal Americans. Obviously, those who would burn our flag are the disloyal ones and their illegal counterparts.
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Old 06-19-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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The only "miscreats" out of those two groups are the illegal alien Mexicans and the extremists Muslims. So no need for the vicim mentality card to be played about these entire groups.

There are Americans of Mexican descent that are loyal Americans. Obviously, those who would burn our flag are the disloyal ones and their illegal counterparts.
Are the "disloyal" and "extremists" Muslims defined the same way?...

How is a tattered American flag properly retired?...
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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Are the "disloyal" and "extremists" Muslims defined the same way?...

How is a tattered American flag properly retired?...
I think the word miscreats would only be in regards to illegal aliens and extremist Muslims. Disloyal can only be applied to citizens so I shouldn't have put illegals in that catagory. Don't know how a tattered American flag is properly retired and what has that to do with it anyway?
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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How is a tattered American flag properly retired?...
Note the ceremony surrounding the proper disposal of a tattered American flag.

No where in this ceremony is anyone spray painting, defacing, spitting, urinating, defecating on it. No where is anyone shouting slurs against the American people, the government or the brave men and women who gave their lives for this Nation.

No where is it laid on the ground and trampled under foot.

No where is it hung upside down or waved about in mockery.

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Flag Disposal Ceremony
The American flag disposal ceremony is made up of one or a combination of the above groups, which assembles outdoors. The members form parallel rows approximately 20 feet apart and face each other. Officers take specified stations and the ceremony begins scripted as below:
COMMANDER:
"Attention, Camp!" "Parade, rest!"
COLOR BEARER:
"Commander, I wish to present a number of unserviceable flags of our country for inspection and disposal."
COMMANDER:
"Advance with your detail and present the flags for inspection and disposal."
The Color Bearer commands: "Attention, Detail! Forward, March!"
Guiding on the Color Bearer, the detail marches two abreast carrying the flags to be inspected down the center of the formation unit opposite the Junior Vice-Commander's station. Turning right, the Color Bearer commands: "Detail, halt! Right Face!" The detail halts two paces in front of the Junior Vice-Commander.
The Color Bearer steps one pace forward, salutes and says:
COMMANDER:
"Junior Vice-Commander, I present these unserviceable flags for your inspection'"
JUNIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Is the present conditions of these flags the result of their usual service as the emblem of our country?"
COLOR BEARER:
"These flags have become faded and worn over the graves of our departed Brothers and Comrade Fathers, and the soldier, sailor and airmen dead of our Nation's wars." (This reference is to the small headstone flags.)
JUNIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Present these flags to the Senior Vice-Commander for his inspection."
The Color Bearer salutes, executes an about face, and commands the detail: "Detail, About Face!" Crossing behind the detail he takes his post at its left and commands: "Forward, March". The detail marches to within two paces of the Senior Vice-Commander where the Color Bearer commands: "Detail, halt!" The Color Bearer steps one pace forward, salutes and says:
COLOR BEARER:
"Senior Vice-Commander, I present these flags which have been inspected by the Junior Vice-Commander for your further inspection."
SENIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Have these flags served any other purpose?"
COLOR BEARER:
"Some of these flags have been displayed in various public places."
SENIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Present them to the Commander for final inspection and dignified disposal."
The Color Bearer salutes, executes an about face, and commands the detail: "Detail, About Face!" Crossing behind the detail he takes his post at its left and commands: "Forward, March". The detail marches to the center, turns left where the Color Bearer commands: "Detail! Left Wheel! Halt!" and halts within two paces of the Commander. The Color Bearer steps one pace forward, salutes and says:
COLOR BEARER:
"Commander, I the honor to present for final and proper disposal these flags our country."
COMMANDER:
"Have these flags been inspected by the Junior Vice-Commander and the Senior Vice-Commander?"
COLOR BEARER:
"Commander, they have."
COMMANDER:
"Junior Vice-Commander, what does your inspection show and what do you recommend?"
JUNIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Commander, since these flags have become unserviceable in a worthy cause, I recommend that they be honorably retired from further service."
COMMANDER:
"Senior Vice-Commander, what does your inspection show and what do you recommend?"
SENIOR VICE-COMMANDER:
"Commander, since these flags have become faded and worn in a tribute of service and love, I also recommend that they be fittingly destroyed."
COMMANDER:
"Brothers, we have presented here these flags of our country which have been inspected and condemned as unserviceable. They have reached their present state in a proper service of tribute, memory and love."
"A flag may be a flimsy bit of printed gauze, or a beautiful banner of finest silk. Its intrinsic value may be trifling or great; but its real value is beyond price, for it is a precious symbol of all that our dear country stands for; a free nation of free men and women, true to the faith of the past, and devoted to the ideals and practice of Justice, Freedom and Democracy. It represents all that our fathers, the Grand Army of the Republic and our nation's defenders in all conflicts lived for, sacrificed for and died for."
"Let these faded flags of our country be retired and destroyed with respectful and honorable rites and their places taken by bright new flags of the same size and kind, and let no grave of our soldier, sailor or airmen dead be unhonored and unmarked."
"Color Bearer, you will destroy these flags with solemn dignity by burning. Officer of the Guard, assemble the Color Guard, escort this detail bearing flags to the vessel of disposal. Attention, Camp!”

The Color Guard will form up immediately behind the Color Bearer's detail. The Officer of the Guard will command: "Attention, Detail! About, Face! Forward, March!" Preceeded by the Color Guard; the detail marches down the center to the fire. The Officer of the Guard will command: "Detail, Halt!" The National Colors will cross over and take position on the right of the fire facing the Commander; the Camp Colors will take up position on the left. Once in place the Commander will command:
COMMANDER:
"The Chaplain will invoke the divine blessing.” “Uncover!"
CHAPLAIN:
"Almighty God, High and Mighty Ruler of the Universe, be with us at this hour. Bless and consecrate these proceedings as may seem fitting in your sight.”
“We now stand before you giving thanks for our Country and its Flag. We thank you for liberty, for which our country stands and which our Flag represents. To clean and purging flame we commit these Flags, worn in worthy service. As they yield their substance to the fire, may your Holy Light spread over us and bring our hearts renewed devotion to God and Country.” “Amen."

OFFICER OF THE GUARD:
At the conclusion of "To the Colors", gives the command: "Shoulder, Arms"
COMMANDER:
"Thank you for your assistance in conducting this most solemn ritual. As the old soldier, sailor and airman one day go beyond our world to a better place, so too must the dear old flag under which they so nobly served be retired. And like the old soldier or sailor or airman, the flag too, shall be followed by that which is new, bright of stripe and shining of star amid a field of Union Blue. May the flag ever fly aloft o'er this great land to comfort the dispossessed, defend the weak and warn the tyrant. May it ever flutter in peace, shouting the message of liberty and freedom.”
"The Color Guard shall resume its station! The Detail is dismissed.”
The Officer of the Guard will command: "Attention, Detail!" "Forward, March!" The Color Guard advances down the center to within two paces of the Commander where the Officer of the Guard will command: "Detail, Halt!" "Post!" The Color Guard reposts the National Colors and Camp Standard. The Color Bearer will command: "Attention, Detail!" "Break Ranks, March!" The Color Bearer and his Detail resume their places among the Camp members. The Commander will then command:
COMMANDER:
"Camp, Dismissed!"
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I think the word miscreats would only be in regards to illegal aliens and extremist Muslims. Disloyal can only be applied to citizens so I shouldn't have put illegals in that catagory. Don't know how a tattered American flag is properly retired and what has that to do with it anyway?
Are you honestly truing to compare the ceremony of disposing of our flag with how the people in the video is treating the flag?
Sort of like comparing consensual sex to rape isn't it?
And no Im not comparing rape to how they treat our flag. But I am saying That your comparrison is no less a stretch.
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Old 06-19-2011, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Muslims and Mexicans ("M & M"s), the miscreants to world society?...

I thought we covered that "burn our flag" thing in another topic (with the same videos, "they" sure make the rounds). Aren't you demonizing an entire ethnicity, even presuming that they are immigrants (and from Mexico). Tone down the hyperbole.

How many times do we have to have a topic come up with the same videos and objections?...
Well, looks like we are covering it AGAIN, in the hope that people who are still on the fence will see the truth and facts right before their eyes.

How many times? Until it gets through to the bleeding hearts. Since they tend to be pretty thick-skulled it could take a while.
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