U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 06-19-2011, 07:13 PM
 
14,307 posts, read 11,204,461 times
Reputation: 2130

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman01 View Post
Are you honestly truing to compare the ceremony of disposing of our flag with how the people in the video is treating the flag?
Sort of like comparing consensual sex to rape isn't it?
And no Im not comparing rape to how they treat our flag. But I am saying That your comparrison is no less a stretch.
I never viewed the video. My argument was with IBM as to what makes a miscreat in this country and what makes one disloyal. I never made any comparisons. Are you sure you are addressing the right poster?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 06-20-2011, 03:46 AM
 
1,150 posts, read 995,304 times
Reputation: 369
Quote:
Originally Posted by IBMMuseum View Post
Whom is the "they" referred to throughout the topic? Are we talking about a specific group, ethnicity, or nationality? "They" is ambiguous, can anyone clarify the definition?
'They' are the people we're discussing in this thread, the ones who disrespect, and defile the American flag.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
13,387 posts, read 16,272,650 times
Reputation: 4611
Quote:
Quote:
Originally Posted by chicagonut
I think the word miscreats would only be in regards to illegal aliens and extremist Muslims. Disloyal can only be applied to citizens so I shouldn't have put illegals in that catagory. Don't know how a tattered American flag is properly retired and what has that to do with it anyway?
Quote:
Posted by Tinman01
Are you honestly truing to compare the ceremony of disposing of our flag with how the people in the video is treating the flag?
Sort of like comparing consensual sex to rape isn't it?
And no Im not comparing rape to how they treat our flag. But I am saying That your comparrison is no less a stretch.
Tinman, I think you've made a mistake.
Chicagonut was answering a question from IBM, not making a comment.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: colorado
2,788 posts, read 4,259,991 times
Reputation: 3312
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanna View Post
Notice how they show love and respect for our country. If anything they should be desecrating the flag of Mexico!


YouTube - ‪Police Watch as SB1070 Illegal alien supporters desecrate US Flag during National Anthem‬‏

I dont say the pledge of alligance or salute the flag..for religious beliefs..
I wont stomp on the flag or abuse it in anyway..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland
15,179 posts, read 15,875,779 times
Reputation: 3028
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1751texan View Post
What is the issue... that illegals are allowed to protest? You want to change the constitution for that too?
Where does the Constitution grant the right to illegal aliens to protest in this country? First, they are here in violation of our laws. Second, they are not citizens. Do you actually believe illegal aliens are entitled to the same rights and privileges as citizens? Get real. And, before you drag out a passage from the Constitution. . .

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." -First Amendment to the Constitution

The term “the people” applies to U.S. citizens, you know, as in “We the People.” It does not include foreign interlopers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-20-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
3,855 posts, read 4,104,666 times
Reputation: 957
Quote:
Originally Posted by Benicar View Post
Where does the Constitution grant the right to illegal aliens to protest in this country? First, they are here in violation of our laws. Second, they are not citizens. Do you actually believe illegal aliens are entitled to the same rights and privileges as citizens? Get real. And, before you drag out a passage from the Constitution. . .

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." -First Amendment to the Constitution

The term “the people” applies to U.S. citizens, you know, as in “We the People.” It does not include foreign interlopers.
The term "we the people" was a term for the people that were proposing the Constitution and forming the new Nation..in the preamble to the constitution. The bill of rights are amendments to the constitution and no where says..."We the People".


4th amendment...
Quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
If your theory were correct then illegal aliens would not be afforded 4th amendment protections and police could stop them for any reason...

The reason I quoted the 4th, its because it also has the same language as the 1st amendment...but all the bill of rights protections are afforded all persons.

In "Reno v. American-Arab ant-dicrimination committee" the US Supreme court rulled that illegal aliens could not claim Free Speech rights when being deported...but stated that a 1945 Supreme court case affirmed that illegal aliens were afforded 1st amendment freedom of speech rights.

Reno v. American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-21-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
4,368 posts, read 4,108,800 times
Reputation: 2652
Quote:
Originally Posted by svg210 View Post
They should really show that rage towards their respective corrupted government. but they will get shot over there. so....
Not to mentioned soldiers from Mexico and throughout Latin America are trained at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning Georgia, they then go home to torture, rape and kill their own people with the knowledge of our government.
They target Union Leaders who try to get an additional penny or two for the very poor workers, they target teachers who try and educate the poor, they target religious leaders who speak up for the poor and anyone else who dares to speak up on the injustices.

So you see they not only have to stand up to their governments but also to our government that trains and arms their armies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-21-2011, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
2,798 posts, read 5,390,799 times
Reputation: 1575
Quote:
Originally Posted by ted08721 View Post
Not to mentioned soldiers from Mexico and throughout Latin America are trained at the School of the Americas at Fort Benning Georgia, they then go home to torture, rape and kill their own people with the knowledge of our government.
They target Union Leaders who try to get an additional penny or two for the very poor workers, they target teachers who try and educate the poor, they target religious leaders who speak up for the poor and anyone else who dares to speak up on the injustices.

So you see they not only have to stand up to their governments but also to our government that trains and arms their armies.
They also need to go back and FIGHT their own corrupt government instead of running away and expecting us to support them. Sometimes obtaining change and freedom requires sacrifice, often at a great price. For over two hundred years Americans have been willing to sacrifice their lives for the right to live in a free society. The illegals can go back and do the same. Let them go home to Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc... and desecrate, spit upon, trample, crap on and burn the flags of their OWN nations. You know, those countries which are supposedly so bad that they had to escape to the safety of America, for which they repay us by publicly disrespecting a symbol of our land.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-21-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Northern Va. from N.J.
4,368 posts, read 4,108,800 times
Reputation: 2652
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanna View Post
They also need to go back and FIGHT their own corrupt government instead of running away and expecting us to support them. Sometimes obtaining change and freedom requires sacrifice, often at a great price. For over two hundred years Americans have been willing to sacrifice their lives for the right to live in a free society. The illegals can go back and do the same. Let them go home to Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, etc... and desecrate, spit upon, trample, crap on and burn the flags of their OWN nations. You know, those countries which are supposedly so bad that they had to escape to the safety of America, for which they repay us by publicly disrespecting a symbol of our land.
Those corrupt govenments you are talking about were put in place by our government.
Look at what has happened in Honduras, the new Honduras government that took over by a coup has been welcome with open arms by our government while they are busy killing their people.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 06-21-2011, 06:37 PM
 
Location: WISC
57 posts, read 54,472 times
Reputation: 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyanna View Post
Notice how they show love and respect for our country.
It's a display of their enthusiasm for freedom and free speech. That's the point of this country.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top