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Old 06-20-2011, 06:48 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Viridian Ideals View Post
Actually, there is very good reason to believe that the experts, or whoever formulated the policy were wrong as evidenced by the massive labor shortages Georgia is currently experiencing.

Also, it has everything to do with what we spend our tax dollars on, at least it seems to to several posters on this forum with all the belly aching about how big of a drain on the system they claim illegals are.
What massive labor shortage? If you are referring to crop pickers there are unlimited visas for foreign agricultural workers. There is no labor shortage on any other jobs.

There are drains on our taxes in all forms. However, we don't to need the drains that illegal aliens put on them also.

 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:06 PM
 
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There is no reason to believe that experts haven't researched our annual needs for legal immigrants based on population growth and jobs and resources.
So, organizations like the Center for Immigration Studies (created by a racist, whose studies are linked a lot here) which advocate curtailing or even stopping legal immigration should shut their pie holes as well?

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Old 06-20-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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You are mixing apples and oranges here. There is no reason to believe that experts haven't researched our annual needs for legal immigrants based on population growth and jobs and resources. That has nothing to do with what our tax dollars are spent on. The biggest problem is all this family re-unification nonsense that isn't even included in our annual quotas which just increases the numbers allowed in here each year.
You're going to need a citation to support this claim, as I haven't heard of this before. I want to learn more. I was aware of the 1990 Immigration Act that set the number of immigrants at 700,000. Most of those seem to be allocated based on family reunification. Then some are given to skilled professionals, because apparently there aren't enough good white-collar American workers. And then there's the diversity lottery quotas, that actually exclude Mexico and China (and other places), but that favor African countries.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Viridian Ideals View Post
Actually, there is very good reason to believe that the experts, or whoever formulated the policy were wrong as evidenced by the massive labor shortages Georgia is currently experiencing.

Also, it has everything to do with what we spend our tax dollars on, at least it seems to to several posters on this forum with all the belly aching about how big of a drain on the system they claim illegals are.
Low skilled high school drop outs who don't speak English are a drain on our tax dollars. They contribute very little in taxes because they earn very little. In the meantime because they earn so little they take a lot out of the system by using items like hospital services and education they cannot pay for. They need to go home. If a farmer wishes to import temporary labor then let him go through the proper channels.
 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...organizations like the Center for Immigration Studies (created by a racist, whose studies are linked a lot here) which advocate curtailing or even stopping legal immigration...
You left out that CIS "adjusts" information to make their points...
 
Old 06-20-2011, 09:37 PM
 
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Who would you let in? How do you decide? What should people do in order to qualify for legal immigration?
I can't see any point in population increase at this time.

My simple answer is that they need to find someone in the US who will trade places with them. That is to say they will swap citizenships, and perhaps memberships in things like state pensions and health plans.

It would probably make sense to be able to have A trade with B trade with C. A kind of citizenship marketplace could open with arbitrage possibilities.
 
Old 06-21-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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So, organizations like the Center for Immigration Studies (created by a racist, whose studies are linked a lot here) which advocate curtailing or even stopping legal immigration should shut their pie holes as well?
First off CIS wasn't created by a racist. It is only your biased opinion. No, anyone can have offer an opinion both anti's and pro's, however my point was that it was our government that determined what our annual quotas should be based on certain criteria and they have the final word.

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Old 06-21-2011, 09:20 AM
 
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First off CIS wasn't created by a racist. It is only your biased opinion. No, anyone can have offer an opinion both anti's and pro's, however my point was that it was our government that determined what our annual quotas should be based on certain criteria and they have the final word.
Our government has also decided how many border agents we need, and how many people to allocate to deportation hearings. I guess those are enough? Someone somewhere in the government did a study and concluded that the current system is ideal. The government says that's enough, so I guess that's that.
 
Old 06-21-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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First off CIS wasn't created by a racist. It is only your biased opinion
My opinion that the racist created the organization or that he's actually racist? He associates with white supremacists, eugenicists, and takes donations from racist organizations to support his anti-immigration organizations. I'm sure he's not racist though.
 
Old 06-21-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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So, organizations like the Center for Immigration Studies (created by a racist, whose studies are linked a lot here) which advocate curtailing or even stopping legal immigration should shut their pie holes as well?
In that case, I suppose you also consider Janet Murguia, the leader of La Raza (NCLR) to be a racist. A couple of years ago, she sent a letter to Congress requesting a moratorium on legal immigration from Africa.
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