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Old 06-22-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Wow, seems so roundabout! Surely someone could come up with a system for keeping tabs on these monsters that is more effective than this.
I wouldn't refer to them as monsters. They are still human beings. But it doesn't negate the fact that they are coming here illegally, and then using illegal or deceitful methods to remain here.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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I wouldn't refer to them as monsters. They are still human beings. But it doesn't negate the fact that they are coming here illegally, and then using illegal or deceitful methods to remain here.
Agreed that they are here illegally. I actually expand this line of thought into more everyday situations. On the way to work this morning I gave a 40 minute lecture and a series of informational leaflets to a jaywalker, who, after all, was on my side of the street illegally. Probably on his way to a job that could have just as easily gone to someone who obeys street signs more rigorously.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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Didn't the landlord get what was coming to him, renting to an illegal? You really think the landlords need to be fined on top of putting up with that mess?
No, because the landlord's hands are often tied in this matter when the applicant can provide identification provided by the Mexican consulate and someone to vouch for their employment, like an employer who is paying them under the table but states on the co-signed paperwork that they will be paying the applicant's rent via check. Also, quite a few churches act as co-signers to get them into apartments. All that is required is that ONE of the applicants be a citizen, and this includes co-signers, who are treated as applicants. Landlords really hate this, which is why they will use other, legally accepted methods to try and discourage illegals from renting.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Agreed that they are here illegally. I actually expand this line of thought into more everyday situations. On the way to work this morning I gave a 40 minute lecture and a series of informational leaflets to a jaywalker, who, after all, was on my side of the street illegally. Probably on his way to a job that could have just as easily gone to someone who obeys street signs more rigorously.
Moot point.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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Which is just another reason to give them legal status.
Oh yeah, that's a great reason! Let's ignore all the rest of the negatives.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Agreed that they are here illegally. I actually expand this line of thought into more everyday situations. On the way to work this morning I gave a 40 minute lecture and a series of informational leaflets to a jaywalker, who, after all, was on my side of the street illegally. Probably on his way to a job that could have just as easily gone to someone who obeys street signs more rigorously.
Ridiculously, bad analogy.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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Oh yeah, that's a great reason! Let's ignore all the rest of the negatives.
That is what us bleeding hearts will just never understand.

Even aside from the problems that would be solved by legalizing illegals, such as them not paying taxes, being difficult to keep track of, and BEING ILLEGAL OMG, there are tons of reasons to not have them here legally. Such as stealing American jobs. Or something. They'd definitely be stealing something.
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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Wow, seems so roundabout! Surely someone could come up with a system for keeping tabs on these monsters that is more effective than this.
Quite the spinmaster, aren't you?
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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No, because the landlord's hands are often tied in this matter when the applicant can provide identification provided by the Mexican consulate and someone to vouch for their employment, like an employer who is paying them under the table but states on the co-signed paperwork that they will be paying the applicant's rent via check. Also, quite a few churches act as co-signers to get them into apartments. All that is required is that ONE of the applicants be a citizen, and this includes co-signers, who are treated as applicants. Landlords really hate this, which is why they will use other, legally accepted methods to try and discourage illegals from renting.
And these citizen cosignatories to the rental agreement, they're completely untrackable, too? I mean, isn't that the point of a co-signer? To have someone reputable to go after if the dodgy person skips out?
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Old 06-22-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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Ridiculously, bad analogy.
Another soft on crime type, I see? Jaywalking is ILLEGAL, good sir. ILLEGAL. No matter what you think needs to be done about jaywalking, we should all be able to agree that the laws should be enforced.
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