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Old 06-23-2011, 08:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Originally Posted by Bing Blang Blaow View Post
Obviously. Now an officer needs reasonable suspicion to stop someone. Please cite anything that would make an officer reasonably suspicious that a person is an illegal alien and not a resident alien or a U.S. citizen.
By law, an officer cannot pull someone over just because they may suspect that they are not in this country legally.

On any traffic stop, the officer will attempt to identify who you are by asking for your driver's license or other forms of Secure and Verifiable Identification (there is a long list of acceptable documentation, of which the most common form would be a driver's license and other identification documents). If you forgot your license, you can provide your name and address so the officer can check the DDS database. The police do this to make sure there are no warrants out for the person's arrest. Only if you cannot provide any identification and if the officer cannot verify who you are, through the methods listed above, the officer is then authorized (not required) to use any reasonable method to identify the suspect's immigration status, which may include contacting U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Asking for identification is part of any traffic stop. In addition to enforcing traffic laws, police officers are also checking for outstanding warrants. While such stops may be inconvenient, many have led to the apprehension of criminals wanted for serious offenses. Consequently, police officers routinely ask for identification for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with immigration status.

I think that objection to these laws speaks volumes about the character of those making the most noise. It would seem that you believe that those who have sworn to protect and serve can't help but act on their most base prejudices, that deep down inside, they're all bigots who can't be trusted not to act on their hatred of all non-Caucasians, even those who are themselves, not Caucasian.

Hmmm....

 
Old 06-23-2011, 08:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Kele View Post
By law, an officer cannot pull someone over just because they may suspect that they are not in this country legally.

On any traffic stop, the officer will attempt to identify who you are by asking for your driver's license or other forms of Secure and Verifiable Identification (there is a long list of acceptable documentation, of which the most common form would be a driver's license and other identification documents). If you forgot your license, you can provide your name and address so the officer can check the DDS database. The police do this to make sure there are no warrants out for the person's arrest. Only if you cannot provide any identification and if the officer cannot verify who you are, through the methods listed above, the officer is then authorized (not required) to use any reasonable method to identify the suspect's immigration status, which may include contacting U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Asking for identification is part of any traffic stop. In addition to enforcing traffic laws, police officers are also checking for outstanding warrants. While such stops may be inconvenient, many have led to the apprehension of criminals wanted for serious offenses. Consequently, police officers routinely ask for identification for reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with immigration status.
Yea I understand traffic stops, because it is required to have a driver's licence to drive. A passport won't work though. Other than that, a person isn't required to have a identification.

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I think that objection to these laws speaks volumes about the character of those making the most noise. It would seem that you believe that those who have sworn to protect and serve can't help but act on their most base prejudices, that deep down inside, they're all bigots who can't be trusted not to act on their hatred of all non-Caucasians, even those who are themselves, not Caucasian.

Hmmm....
No, I think that the vast majority of law enforcement personnel are good honest people who really do want to make the world a better place in their own way. But even the most well intentioned person may go to far ( the road to hell is paved with them as it goes) and a malevolent person will try and push the limits and the power that police have is such that it must be well delineated and confined, to not only protect citizens from the police who may do them harm but from the police themselves.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 08:56 PM
 
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There are cases of natural born citizens who've been imprisoned due to suspicion that they were not in the country legally. This particular person was locked up for a month or so and had to work for $1/day before he could afford to buy a copy of his birth certificate.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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there are cases of natural born citizens who've been imprisoned due to suspicion that they were not in the country legally. this particular person was locked up for a month or so and had to work for $1/day before he could afford to buy a copy of his birth certificate.
see they really are depressing wages!!!
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:19 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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If Republicans knew what was good for them, they'd use a guest worker visa program where they'd hire people to do this work, then ship them back home when the visa expires, and have ICE people working alongside them to keep an eye on them. Force direct deposit into local bank accounts and allow them to wire back money / close the account only if they leave the country. Then, after X number of years coming back to work, to me, they've proved their worth.

To me a lot of dark-skinned Hispanics are being alienated in many of the same ways that former black slaves, the Irish, Chinese, Germans, and other minority groups used to be treated. Just watch. After a few years (if that) of this ridiculous policy being in place, it will be reversed.

I hope the Fed government doesn't bail out Georgia when their crop all fails.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Bing Blang Blaow View Post
Obviously. Now an officer needs reasonable suspicion to stop someone. Please cite anything that would make an officer reasonably suspicious that a person is an illegal alien and not a resident alien or a U.S. citizen.
Are they stopping the person under suspicion of being illegal, or are they stopping the person for violating a law, then asking for ID?
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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Are they stopping the person under suspicion of being illegal, or are they stopping the person for violating a law, then asking for ID?
A guy's out for a jog. He jogs across the street when no one is coming, but there's a cop who sees him. The cop stops him and cites him for jaywalking. The guy doesn't have his wallet, as he forgot it in his jeans after he changed into jogging shorts. Obviously, this guy should be detained until he can produce his birth certificate.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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If Republicans knew what was good for them, they'd use a guest worker visa program where they'd hire people to do this work, then ship them back home when the visa expires, and have ICE people working alongside them to keep an eye on them. Force direct deposit into local bank accounts and allow them to wire back money / close the account only if they leave the country. Then, after X number of years coming back to work, to me, they've proved their worth.

To me a lot of dark-skinned Hispanics are being alienated in many of the same ways that former black slaves, the Irish, Chinese, Germans, and other minority groups used to be treated. Just watch. After a few years (if that) of this ridiculous policy being in place, it will be reversed.

I hope the Fed government doesn't bail out Georgia when their crop all fails.
As previously stated, their crops will fail ONLY if they choose not to request visas. There are plenty of Haitians, Jamaicans, and others who would jump at the chance to work here legally, even if it means picking crops. If they prefer illegal over legal temporary visa workers, they should rot, along with their crops.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:33 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Permanent residents (read legal immigrants who have not yet, or do not intend, to become U.S. citizens) of the United States eighteen years of age or older must carry their valid physical green card itself at all times. Failing to do so would be in violation of the section 264(e) of the Immigration and Nationality Act carrying a fine not exceeding 100 dollars and/or imprisoned not more than 30 days for each offense.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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A guy's out for a jog. He jogs across the street when no one is coming, but there's a cop who sees him. The cop stops him and cites him for jaywalking. The guy doesn't have his wallet, as he forgot it in his jeans after he changed into jogging shorts. Obviously, this guy should be detained until he can produce his birth certificate.
Címon, surely you can do better than that. Stopped for jaywalking? Please.
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