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Old 06-23-2011, 10:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Benicar View Post
As previously stated, their crops will fail ONLY if they choose not to request visas. There are plenty of Haitians, Jamaicans, and others who would jump at the chance to work here legally, even if it means picking crops. If they prefer illegal over legal temporary visa workers, they should rot, along with their crops.
Do you know how long it takes between filing for a H-2A visa and when the worker is working in your fields?

 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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A guy's out for a jog. He jogs across the street when no one is coming, but there's a cop who sees him. The cop stops him and cites him for jaywalking. The guy doesn't have his wallet, as he forgot it in his jeans after he changed into jogging shorts. Obviously, this guy should be detained until he can produce his birth certificate.
Right, because he, unlike 99.9% of U.S. citizens, has never had cause to obtain a driver's license or a state I.D. He never cashes a check, uses a credit card, opens a bank account, drives a car, rents a house, obtains a loan, applies for a job, etc. Thus, he lives under a rock, with no need for identification of any sort, and only comes out now and then to be stopped by the police for jaywalking.

You do realize that any person with a driver's license or state identification card can have their information easily accessed by law enforcement simply by giving them his/her name and birthdate.....right?

Or maybe you don't.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Do you know how long it takes between filing for a H-2A visa and when the worker is working in your fields?
Obviously, it doesnít take too long. This farmer managed quite nicely. Others can as well. That's just a cop out.

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A farm in Eastern Washington is employing hundreds of Jamaican workers to replace the illegal immigrants it lost after an Immigration and Customs Enforcement investigation last year.

Gebbers Farms in Brewster, WA, which grows apple and cherry trees, is hiring 300 workers from Jamaica through the H-2A visa program, issuing temporary agricultural visas.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:43 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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As previously stated, their crops will fail ONLY if they choose not to request visas. There are plenty of Haitians, Jamaicans, and others who would jump at the chance to work here legally, even if it means picking crops. If they prefer illegal over legal temporary visa workers, they should rot, along with their crops.
Amen sista! You preach it!

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In order to qualify to bring in seasonal foreign workers, the employer must provide proof that there is a shortage of available workers, as well as that the introduction of foreign workers will not adversely affect wages and working conditions of U.S. workers in the same occupation.

H-2A Visa versus H-2B Visa
The only difference between an H-2A visa and an H-2B visa is the nature of the industry. An H-2A visa applies to farm workers hired for seasonal work in the agricultural industry, while an H-2B visa applies to any nonagricultural worker. H-2Bs cover many types of temporary workers in all sorts of industries, and may be used for entertainers, film workers and professional minor league athletes.

How does one get an H-2A or H-2B visa?
Obtaining an H-2A or H-2B visa is largely dependent on the employer, who must complete a rigorous application process. In addition to proving that bringing in foreign workers is necessary due to a shortage, the employer must make certain provisions for food, housing, transportation and tools for workers on such visas. Additionally, the employer must guarantee that the worker will be put to work for at least three-fourths of the working days during the period for which the permit is valid, or pay the worker the equivalent of that amount in wages.
http://www.totalimmigrationlaw.com/h2a-visa.aspx

So whose fault is it if the employer feels that it's his right to break the law and hire illegal aliens rather than going through the lawful process?

If they can't be bothered to do it legally, then let them fail. That's one of the great things about a capitalistic society. Someone will fill the void and they'll do so using legal workers.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:44 PM
 
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C’mon, surely you can do better than that. Stopped for jaywalking? Please.
Or music being too loud, or a dog off a leash, etc. The point is that technically you can be stopped for anything, but usually police have to have reasonable cause to continue. Now, not having a wallet, refusing to answer questions about bank statements or checking accounts, or not giving you name and address is reasonable suspicion.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:46 PM
 
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The forum's interest in jaywalking offenses being pursued just went up.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:50 PM
 
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Or music being too loud, or a dog off a leash, etc. The point is that technically you can be stopped for anything, but usually police have to have reasonable cause to peruse anything further. Now, not having a wallet, refusing to answer questions about bank statements or checking accounts is reasonable doubt to continue.
Technically, you can be stopped for any violation of the law. But in practice, loud music or an unleashed dog will not attract the attention of police. They have much more serious issues to pursue.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:51 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Originally Posted by Bing Blang Blaow View Post
Or music being too loud, or a dog off a leash, etc. The point is that technically you can be stopped for anything, but usually police have to have reasonable cause to continue. Now, not having a wallet, refusing to answer questions about bank statements or checking accounts, or not giving you name and address is reasonable suspicion.
Any idiot that won't give his name and address to the police deserves to be detained. If you forget your wallet, that's all you have to do. If you have a driver's license or state issued ID, you can be easily identified.

Those new fangled computerized systems are the shiznit....

I've never heard of any police officer questioning a person about their bank statements or checking accounts. That's a new one.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The forum's interest in jaywalking offenses being pursued just went up.
Only by you.
 
Old 06-23-2011, 10:53 PM
 
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Technically, you can be stopped for any violation of the law. But in practice, loud music or an unleashed dog will not attract the attention of police. They have much more serious issues to pursue.
Let's say it does. Now what?
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