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Old 06-22-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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They do not have rights, and they are being punished for just doing something we, Americans, do legally, which is just living out in the open. This is unconstitutional. The constitution says we must not discriminate against anybody. Chastising a person because he/she does not have documents is discrimination. I don't get how many of you, especially conservatives like to talk about big government, and how the government takes away our freedom, but guess what? Immigration enforcement is more government.


The constitution protects those who are within the US jurisdiction. It does not say it is exclusive to those who are American. In fact, the constitution has nothing to do with the immigration.
Spoken like a true open border globalist.
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by knowledgeiskey View Post
They do not have rights, and they are being punished for just doing something we, Americans, do legally, which is just living out in the open. This is unconstitutional. The constitution says we must not discriminate against anybody. Chastising a person because he/she does not have documents is discrimination. I don't get how many of you, especially conservatives like to talk about big government, and how the government takes away our freedom, but guess what? Immigration enforcement is more government.


The constitution protects those who are within the US jurisdiction. It does not say it is exclusive to those who are American. In fact, the constitution has nothing to do with the immigration.
What rights do they not have? The right to violate our sovereignty and demand citizenship is that the one you're referring to?
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes it is a crime. They broke the law by not having the legal right to be in the USA. That means to enter with a valid passport and visa.

It is a crime when they work here. It is a crime when they commit identity fraud. It is a crime when they have babies in order to defraud the US taxpayer to stay in the USA.

They broke the first law by entering illegally, broke another law by staying, broke another law by working without legal permission.

They are criminals.
Technically he is correct. The law they broke is civil in nature.It only becomes a crime if they are repeatedly caught. Isn't that grand?
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Old 06-22-2011, 06:05 PM
 
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They do not have rights, and they are being punished for just doing something we, Americans, do legally, which is just living out in the open. This is unconstitutional. The constitution says we must not discriminate against anybody. Chastising a person because he/she does not have documents is discrimination. I don't get how many of you, especially conservatives like to talk about big government, and how the government takes away our freedom, but guess what? Immigration enforcement is more government.


The constitution protects those who are within the US jurisdiction. It does not say it is exclusive to those who are American. In fact, the constitution has nothing to do with the immigration.
They are committing a crime

They are receiving the benefits of hard working Americans who pay taxes

They are driving down wages for hard working Americans

They are jamming up hospitals, demanding free care

They are overcrowding schools and "dumbing down" education for those who speak English and are seeking a chance

They are bringing more and more crime to America

They account for the majority of criminals in our prison system


The illegal immigrants are providing the US with all the benefits offered to Europe from the Bubonic Plague in the 12th century. Only a liberal would champion the burden they are putting on a US economy and federal budget which is on the brink of collapse already.

For the OP, why don't you put up a few illegals in your house? Of course you won't, as liberalism is completely ridiculous on a micro scale, and only makes "sense" when it does not affect YOU personally. The illegal immigrant problem could be solved overnight if every liberal in the US agreed to take in two to three illegals, provide them with food and shelter, and looked after their health insurance and education for their kids- problem solved. The real problem is actually getting a liberal to do something that they are asking of other people to do- bear the burden of people who should not be here in the first place.

Any libs up for taking in some illegals? Of course not- they really don't believe what they say.
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Old 06-22-2011, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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Technically he is correct. The law they broke is civil in nature.It only becomes a crime if they are repeatedly caught. Isn't that grand?
If caught a 2nd time; thats a felony. Plus what Lucky Gem posted.
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Old 06-22-2011, 09:01 PM
 
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14th amendment, 1st paragraph:

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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws“
Since illegal aliens were neither born here nor naturalized they are <ahem> illegal aliens..

Here's a different source:

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In today’s United States v. Portillo-Munoz, a divided Fifth Circuit panel holds that illegal aliens don’t have Second Amendment rights because they’re not part of “the people,” and suggests that they may lack Fourth Amendment rights as well.
http://volokh.com/2011/06/13/the-con...th-amendments/

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Old 06-22-2011, 10:08 PM
 
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They do not have rights, and they are being punished for just doing something we, Americans, do legally, which is just living out in the open. This is unconstitutional. The constitution says we must not discriminate against anybody. Chastising a person because he/she does not have documents is discrimination. I don't get how many of you, especially conservatives like to talk about big government, and how the government takes away our freedom, but guess what? Immigration enforcement is more government.


The constitution protects those who are within the US jurisdiction. It does not say it is exclusive to those who are American. In fact, the constitution has nothing to do with the immigration.
I see, so having immigration laws and enforcing them is unconstitutional?
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Being in the US undocumented is not a crime in itself.
No kidding?

Why don't they call it undocumented immigration rather than ILLEGAL immigration?

Strangely enough, the word illegal tends to bring that to mind which is not legal, you know....forbidden by law, unlawful, illicit.

I really wanted to humor you, but....

"Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;


has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense."

You are correct. Knowledge IS key.

The defense rests.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:36 PM
 
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No kidding?

Why don't they call it undocumented immigration rather than ILLEGAL immigration?

Strangely enough, the word illegal tends to bring that to mind which is not legal, you know....forbidden by law, unlawful, illicit.

I really wanted to humor you, but....

"Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or

Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or

Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense."

You are correct. Knowledge IS key.

The defense rests.
Thanks, Kele.
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Old 06-22-2011, 10:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Thanks, Kele.
All in a day's work
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