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Old 06-27-2011, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Our immigration laws, policies and quotas are already reasonable.
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Our laws on the books aren't being enforced now what makes you think if we "re-write" them (whatever that means) they will be enforced? Our government doesn't have a very good track record now.
If laws are not being enforced they can't be very reasonable, ie. understandable, sensible, or enforceable.

I didn't say RE-write, but thank you for making my point here, even if you did contradict yourself.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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Non sequitur. Such "laws" are an European construct. Natives had boundries that had different meanings.



It also dosen't mean we should support laws that allow corporate subjugation of labor on either side of the border by American corporations.

If we write reasonable laws and enforce them, most will comply. Including those that hire illegal labor. Comprehensive immigration laws properly enforced will in itself limit the numbers coming here.

Allow those that wish to work access to and from their country as long as they follow those laws, while accepting others as long as they comply for a number of years, to become citizens. Right now these conditions do not exist so we have this broken system that does nothing but make criminals of those only wishing to improve their lives. Law breakers are a small minority.

Also, the violence along the border, isn't it time something is done about our antiquated drug laws?
Laws of any Country should not be pushed by those of another no matter how many "want" it. Especially if it has a negative effect on the existing citizens.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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If laws are not being enforced they can't be very reasonable, ie. understandable, sensible, or enforceable.

I didn't say RE-write, but thank you for making my point here, even if you did contradict yourself.
So you think our immigration laws aren't being enforced because they aren't reasonable, etc.? No, they aren't being enforced because of corporate greed. They are reasonable in regards to the best interests of our own citizens.

You didn't imply that we should re-write our laws because you deem them unreasonable right now? I never contradicted myself anywhere. You will be yet another one on my ignore list. I refuse to read posts anymore where someone is putting foreign illegals above our own nation's citizen's best interests or is for unbridled immigration. It is blatantly anti-American.
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: USA
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That may be, but did you see the testimony in Spanish in the other thread.
They know English but refuse to speak it.

Its insulting.

Maybe they aren't interested in communicating with you or don't consider what they are saying any of your business. Or maybe they just feel more comfortable speaking any language they choose. Those are rights guaranteed by the Constitution. Perhaps you should lobby for an amendmemt. Or move to a country where those freedoms aren't guarateed so you can feel more at ease. Ever consider that?
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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So you think our immigration laws aren't being enforced because they aren't reasonable, etc.? No, they aren't being enforced because of corporate greed. They are reasonable in regards to the best interests of our own citizens.

You didn't imply that we should re-write our laws because you deem them unreasonable right now? I never contradicted myself anywhere. You will be yet another one on my ignore list. I refuse to read posts anymore where someone is putting foreign illegals above our own nation's citizen's best interests or is for unbridled immigration. It is blatantly anti-American.
So your idea of a discussion forum is a place where everybody agrees with each other?
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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So your idea of a discussion forum is a place where everybody agrees with each other?

I believe the word "forum" was in fact derived from the latin "forumous" which roughly translates to "circle jerk"
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Old 06-28-2011, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Or move to a country where those freedoms aren't guarateed so you can feel more at ease. Ever consider that?
Instead of telling an American that maybe they should leave their own country, why not tell illegals to go back to where they came from or move to another country? I wonder how it would work out for them if they tried to illegally enter Australia.
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Old 06-29-2011, 12:59 AM
 
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If laws are not being enforced they can't be very reasonable, ie. understandable, sensible, or enforceable.

I didn't say RE-write, but thank you for making my point here, even if you did contradict yourself.
What about rape laws? Or domestic violence? Child abuse? Obviously those laws aren't always enforced but does that mean it's not reasonable to have the laws in place?
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