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Old 06-24-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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They should absolutely be able to speak whatever language they want, just like every other person in this country. My father speaks Farsi when he speaks with his Iranian friends. Is this something you have a problem with?
I have no problem with your father and his friends speaking Farsi, or anyone else speaking their native language. What I have a problem with is the insistence that we learn THEIR language so that they don't have to bother with learning or using English. I'm assuming you didn't learn in Farsi while in grade school if you attended an American school?
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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I truly believe that despite any effort to rid our country of illegal immigrants, sooner or later, we will see amnesty for those remaining. I hope by then our borders are secure. That is where our efforts should be focused.
No, our efforts should be focused on enforcing our extant laws, not on “integrating” foreign interlopers into our society. Where does it end? How many mass amnesties will suffice? Or, should we continue to grant amnesty until the entire underclass of Mexico is here? I’m sorry, enough is enough.
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Are we talking schoolkids here, or university students? I don't know of any course, outside teaching another language, that isn't in English, at any publicly-assessable school level. At the grade school age, the desire is to mainstream a child as quickly as possible.

Don't confuse our younger kids with college students taking a course...
School kids. Quite a few schools in California and the southwest teach classes in both languages.
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:01 AM
 
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I have no problem with your father and his friends speaking Farsi, or anyone else speaking their native language. What I have a problem with is the insistence that we learn THEIR language so that they don't have to bother with learning or using English. I'm assuming you didn't learn in Farsi while in grade school if you attended an American school?
There is no "insistence," though, you are just unnerved by the presence of a large group that is speaking another language. Which is perfectly fine as long as you don't feel that you have a right to be outraged by it.

Spanish is taught by schools because A. almost everyone agrees that second languages are useful for students and B. Spanish is extremely common, fairly easy to learn, and useful for students.

Students being "forced" to learn history or math or biology is no greater offense. You might prefer your kids to learn French (which they can take at a huge number of schools, of course). I would have preferred to learn Farsi so I could speak to more people at family reunions. But I know it's impractical for them to pay for languages that very few people in this country know.
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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I have no problem with your father and his friends speaking Farsi, or anyone else speaking their native language. What I have a problem with is the insistence that we learn THEIR language so that they don't have to bother with learning or using English. I'm assuming you didn't learn in Farsi while in grade school if you attended an American school?
You don't have to learn Spanish.

However, some companies will offer service in Spanish voluntarily if they think it will be good for business. What's the issue?
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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School kids. Quite a few schools in California and the southwest teach classes in both languages.
Source that data please, with public schools that teach primarily in Spanish for the majority of their classwork...

Otherwise "both languages" in the same school sounds like moving students from Spanish to English...
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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No, our efforts should be focused on enforcing our extant laws, not on “integrating” foreign interlopers into our society...
Current "laws" allow for over a million foreigners to be admitted to the United States each year...

If you mean "illegal aliens", say "illegal aliens"...
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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There is no "insistence," though, you are just unnerved by the presence of a large group that is speaking another language. Which is perfectly fine as long as you don't feel that you have a right to be outraged by it.

Spanish is taught by schools because A. almost everyone agrees that second languages are useful for students and B. Spanish is extremely common, fairly easy to learn, and useful for students.

Students being "forced" to learn history or math or biology is no greater offense. You might prefer your kids to learn French (which they can take at a huge number of schools, of course). I would have preferred to learn Farsi so I could speak to more people at family reunions. But I know it's impractical for them to pay for languages that very few people in this country know.
The “outrage” is due to their DEMAND that we accommodate them in THEIR language, rather than learning ours. I would never be so arrogant as to relocate to a non-English-speaking country and not learn the language. I have no problem with people speaking Spanish, as long as they aren't being rude. In fact, if not for the Spanish language, I would not have met my ex-husband, and would not have my wonderful son. Our initial encounter was the result of him paying me a compliment in Spanish, without realizing I understood what he said. I then responded, and as the saying goes. . . the rest is history.

I am so sick of the entitlement mentality. Sadly, I am beginning to dislike the language, and refuse to speak it. I used to love to hear Spanish.
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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Who's demanding what? How are those demands being made?
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Old 06-24-2011, 11:25 AM
 
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The “outrage” is due to their DEMAND that we accommodate them in THEIR language, rather than learning ours. I would never be so arrogant as to relocate to a non-English-speaking country and not learn the language. I have no problem with people speaking Spanish, as long as they aren't being rude. In fact, if not for the Spanish language, I would not have met my ex-husband, and would not have my wonderful son. Our initial encounter was the result of him paying me a compliment in Spanish, without realizing I understood what he said. I then responded, and as the saying goes. . . the rest is history.

I am so sick of the entitlement mentality. Sadly, I am beginning to dislike the language, and refuse to speak it. I used to love to hear Spanish.
We were talking about younger people who ARE fluent, so they HAVE in fact learned the language.

You say that they DEMAND that you "accommodate" them in their language.

Define both "demand" and "accommodate" in those contexts?
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