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Old 06-26-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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I don't mind buying the imported fruits and vegetables and where I live, that's mostly all there is.

If the farmer can't provide jobs to Americans or cannot bring himself to hire Americans then it's better for the farm to be in the other country. Fewer than 500,000 of the over 30 million illegals here are doing farm work.
How about your meat, especially pork?

 
Old 06-26-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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How about your meat, especially pork?
Well first of all there are only little over 1 million total jobs in farming and fishing industries. Not all agricultural workers are illegal - somewhere about 25%.

I would prefer that food handlers be citizens or at least legal guest workers - many farm workers are here legally as there is no need at all for them to be here illegally since there are no caps on the H2A visas.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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Table 5. Employment by major occupational group, 2008 and projected 2018

for the statistics on farm and fishing jobs. 1,035,000 total jobs in 2008, expected to decline. Machines have largely replaced humans when it comes to farm work.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:06 PM
 
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Well first of all there are only little over 1 million total jobs in farming and fishing industries. Not all agricultural workers are illegal - somewhere about 25%.

I would prefer that food handlers be citizens or at least legal guest workers - many farm workers are here legally as there is no need at all for them to be here illegally since there are no caps on the H2A visas.
You're kind of missing me the point. And by "kind of" I mean "completely."
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:10 PM
 
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You're kind of missing me the point. And by "kind of" I mean "completely."
Well you are missing my point completely.

When I see a farm worker, I don't automatically assume he or she is here illegally because that's one of the easiest ways to get a green card or H2A visa but also there aren't too many farm jobs available -- about 1 million if you include the hatcheries and all agriculural jobs.

I also know citizens working in agriculture. So yes I prefer that people handling the meat and other food be citizens or at least legally here.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:11 PM
 
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But you were just asking what benefits you confer. "Your food is cheaper" is kind of an answer to that.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:17 PM
 
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But you were just asking what benefits you confer. "Your food is cheaper" is kind of an answer to that.
In reality food is not cheaper with 30 million illegals here. Partly because they're eating so much of it - that drives up costs, but also because our rapidly exploding population is destroying available farmland.

In fact compare milk prices to what they were in the 70's. Or beef prices. A head of lettuce now with 30 million illegals is likely to be $1.50 a head - back in the 70's before they arrived it was likely $0.25 a head.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Anyhow - like I said - we can import cheap food, we don't need to import 30 million illegals when we only have about 1 million agricultural jobs in the first place and the 30 million illegals aren't all coming to work when our unemployment rate is double that of their country.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 08:53 PM
 
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In reality food is not cheaper with 30 million illegals here. Partly because they're eating so much of it
hahahahaha omg.

omg.
 
Old 06-26-2011, 09:11 PM
 
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In reality food is not cheaper with 30 million illegals here. Partly because they're eating so much of it - that drives up costs, but also because our rapidly exploding population is destroying available farmland.
LOL. That's an interesting theory, I had never considered the market impact of the illegal population's consumption (30M is probably too high) vs. the labor value of the small fraction of them working in the agriculture industries. I don't doubt that it at least partly removes the value of the cheap workers, but it would be hard to say how much.

The labor content of produce, at least from a back of the envelope calculation based on some google-based numbers on payment per container and the retail value of that same stuff, is fairly low, so we could probably afford paying a non-illegal more money for the same work. It would be interesting to know how elastic that piece-work price is...how much more would you actually need to pay to get a given amount of work done by US nationals?
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