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Old 06-27-2011, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Texas
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What amount do you put this cost at? Please provide sources.
One of our county hospitals here in Texas tried to send Mexico a bill...but they were laughed at.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Texas
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There you go again just talking out your butt. This is false. Can't you make your arguments without making up stuff? When people see from the sources other people are providing that you are completely making this up and illegals do in fact pay for these things, it makes your whole presence here pointless and all other possibly valid arguments you make weaker.
I have worked in many hospitals...where is this talking out her butt? They don't pay. If they haven't scammed the medicaid out of the state, they use a fake name, give a fake address, and never, ever, ever, ever pay. Ever.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's false that they are a drain on our economy. The costs they incur the city and state are made up through taxes paid that are never reimbursed. Woohoo, you showed a link showing hospitals incur costs. Now compare that with national figures for taxes they pay and never receive back instead of focusing on one news story. After you've done the math on the whole economy get back at me.
EVEN IF that is true, the hospitals don't recoup the losses on these people by the magical taxes you think they pay.
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Old 06-27-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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To me it is definitive, they are a burden. GDP they cost us $14B, that's not accounting for each State or locals costs. As has been said by myself, all economists agree that illegal aliens are a net drain at all levels, even Paul Krugman has stated that. Legalizing them will only decrease these already fiscal burdens further as they become even more eligible to collect welfare, even though there is a 5 year denial for most welfare to legal residents. Remember it is there children, perceived as citizens, that allow them to collect welfare for their children, thus the 5 year bar would be worthless.

Your denial is astounding. Now, regarding that study that YOU linked and still try to say shows that they are net drain, rather than sit and argue with you, please respond to the author's statement in the press release for the study:

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"Illegal immigration produces a tiny net gain to the U.S. economy after subtracting U.S.-born workers' losses from U.S. employers' gains," said Hanson, who is Director of the Center on Pacific Economies at UC-San Diego.
And you are talking about spin rofl. Maybe you, Justice Gray, and this Hanson guy need to sit down and hash some things out.

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Old 06-27-2011, 04:02 PM
 
Location: California
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Wow, you always leave out the best parts, from your link:
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Economist William Ford of Middle Tennessee State University says there are no firm figures on how many such taxpayers there are.
So his claims are nothing more than guesstimates.
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The real question is how many of them pay more than they owe.
One he doesn't have an answer for.
Borjas, Smith & Edmonston, Hanson, Krugman, GPO, page 107 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf):
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But the average net present value of the fiscal impact of an immigrant with less than a high school education is negative $13,000. The impact of the original immigrant with no high school diploma is negative $89,000, which is largely offset by the positive $76,000 in contributions by the immigrant's descendants.
This still leaves a negative $12,000.00.
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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Wow, you always leave out the best parts, from your link:So his claims are nothing more than guesstimates.
One he doesn't have an answer for.
Borjas, Smith & Edmonston, Hanson, Krugman, GPO, page 107 (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/2005/2005_erp.pdf):This still leaves a negative $12,000.00.

That was merely to point out how funny your claim that ALL economists say they are a drain was. They obviously don't all believe this. What did you think my point was?
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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EVEN IF that is true, the hospitals don't recoup the losses on these people by the magical taxes you think they pay.
All it takes is a stroll over to the ER or our local schools to see this in action.
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: California
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Your denial is astounding. Now, regarding that study that YOU linked and still try to say shows that they are net drain, rather than sit and argue with you, please respond to the author's statement in the press release for the study:

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"Illegal immigration produces a tiny net gain to the U.S. economy after subtracting U.S.-born workers' losses from U.S. employers' gains," said Hanson, who is Director of the Center on Pacific Economies at UC-San Diego.
I see, you get your information from a Progressive Blog, that explains your inscience. New Report Shines Light on the Economics of Illegal Immigration | LA Progressive
Now here's the actual claim as made by the report:
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The stakes are highest for the unauthorized immigrants themselves, who see very substantial income gains after migrating. If we exclude these immigrants from the calculus, however (as domestic policymakers are naturally inclined
to do), the small net gain that remains after subtracting US workers’ losses from US employers’ gains is tiny. And if we account for the small fiscal burden that unauthorized immigrants impose, the overall economic benefit is close enough to zero to be essentially a wash.
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:14 PM
 
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I see, you get your information from a Progressive Blog, that explains your inscience. New Report Shines Light on the Economics of Illegal Immigration | LA Progressive
Now here's the actual claim as made by the report:

Dude, I got it from the press release on the same ****ing website as the study. Those are the authors words. Denial!!!!

MPI | News | News Item
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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I see, you get your information from a Progressive Blog, that explains your inscience. New Report Shines Light on the Economics of Illegal Immigration | LA Progressive
Now here's the actual claim as made by the report:
small fiscal burden. What a load LOL

We are being forced to spend BILLIONS each year just to turn back the tide. Even at that rate it is the best money the Country has ever spent.
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