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With 10 times the cost of living. For example health care - it's far far more affordable for illegals to give birth back home in their own country IF of course they were paying their way here. There is absolutely no way they can afford the health insurance premiums here for health insurance plans, and there's no way they can pay the cost of their frequent maternity visits to the hospitals or the pediatric health care.
Yes, we agree they incur costs on state levels. The federal payments they pay in and never get back cover these. A study someone on your side of the argument posted earlier makes it very clear they are a net benefit on our economy and we would further benefit by making them legal. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/Hanson-Dec09.pdf
Yes, we agree they incur costs on state levels. The federal payments they pay in and never get back cover these. A study someone on your side of the argument posted earlier makes it very clear they are a net benefit on our economy and we would further benefit by making them legal. http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/Hanson-Dec09.pdf
Then why are state and national debts higher than ever before? If the illegals were paying then the government wouldn't have to keep raising the debt ceiling. Or worrying about how to assimilate them into US society.
And if they were a benefit, their own governments would try to get them back.
Then why are state and national debts higher than ever before? If the illegals were paying then the government wouldn't have to keep raising the debt ceiling. Or worrying about how to assimilate them into US society.
LOL. The money they don't get back from SS and FICA helps lower (or stops it from climbing faster I suppose) our debt AND covers state costs. In other words, the money they pay in federally exceeds the costs the states incur. I can prove this with other studies. Besides the study Liquid Reigns posted says the same thing as well. Also, they are assimilating as fast or faster than our ancestors according to the article in the OP. I think our relatives turned out just fine.
LOL. The money they don't get back from SS and FICA helps lower (or stops it from climbing faster I suppose) our debt AND covers state costs. In other words, the money they pay in federally exceeds the costs the states incur. I can prove this with other studies. Besides the study Liquid Reigns posted says the same thing as well. Also, they are assimilating as fast or faster than our ancestors according to the article in the OP. I think our relatives turned out just fine.
You can't prove it because there is no proof that illegals pay into social security.
First of all many illegals work as independent contractors and they are most definitely NOT paying into social security when paid with a check or cash.
And the employers who hire illegals hire them and pay illegal wages and fail to pay overtime and workman's comp precisely because they know they are illegals - and why would you expect them to pay into social security at all? They know their illegal workers don't get that statement that we citizens get showing what was paid in. They break all kinds of other laws, who would expect they would decide to respect just one tax law?
First of all many illegals work as independent contractors and they are most definitely NOT paying into social security when paid with a check or cash.
And the employers who hire illegals hire them and pay illegal wages and fail to pay overtime and workman's comp precisely because they know they are illegals - and why would you expect them to pay into social security at all? They know their illegal workers don't get that statement that we citizens get showing what was paid in. They break all kinds of other laws, who would expect they would decide to respect just one tax law?
Most of the contractors in construction that are picking up workers by the truckful are going to have to account for the labor with bogus documentation; these guys aren't going to be able to claim they run a business building subdivisions with 2 people on staff. Same goes for restaurants, farms, meat packing factories, hotels, etc. that have staffs with more than a couple of illegal immigrants; even your bigger landscaping companies. Joe the Landscaper isn't going to be able to look an IRS agent in the face and tell him he clips 2500 lawns a month on his own. It's not possible to make that scheme go for long without reporting that you've hired these people and are withholding FICA.
Illegal immigrants who clean houses independently outside of cleaning services like Molly Maid, one off workers who mow lawns, guys who just do odd-ball stuff on their own like small painting jobs, etc., yeah maybe they can survive without phony paperwork. The rest can't.
I absolutely do not trust the government's figures when that same government claims it cannot find any of the illegals to deport and can't see how they're coming over the border.
I would have to see hard proof that the government actually tracks the ss taxes to valid ss numbers. Often illegals use stolen ss numbers -- so how does the government track that and since when did identity theft and document fraud become legal?
Most illegals are paid under the table and one reason they are much cheaper to hire is that the employer also doesn't have to pay taxes, workman's comp, social security, overtime, etc on them. Very few people with illegal nannies and landscapers are paying minimum wages much less taxes on them.
The only illegals that would pay would be tricking their employers with stolen social security and other documents and the employer would have to think he was hiring legals or citizens. Doubtful most of these employers really think they are.
Most of the contractors in construction that are picking up workers by the truckful are going to have to account for the labor with bogus documentation; these guys aren't going to be able to claim they run a business building subdivisions with 2 people on staff. Same goes for restaurants, farms, meat packing factories, hotels, etc. that have staffs with more than a couple of illegal immigrants; even your bigger landscaping companies. Joe the Landscaper isn't going to be able to look an IRS agent in the face and tell him he clips 2500 lawns a month on his own. It's not possible to make that scheme go for long without reporting that you've hired these people and are withholding FICA.
And yes -- they do get by with not paying into taxes on their employees. Just like the government pretends it doesn't see the illegals coming over the border, or the illegals who came on shopping visas and stayed on, and the government doesn't question the illegals coming by to pick up food stamps and WIC on their children.
The politicians and government officials don't question the employers who hire truckloads of illegals. It could make plenty of money off fining them if it was looking for money from illegals.
Like one of my neighbors who is a citizen -- he gets work - someone thinks they're paying him $20 or more an hour as a contractor. He has a crew of illegals who do the work instead. One guy might be paid $5 an hour to plow a field -- the employer doesn't see that someone else did the work. And no - he doesn't report his whole income to the IRS - not by a long shot. He might have 4 or 5 illegals out doing work that he contracted to do - but cash isn't always reported to the IRS. Not only that - he can have his illegals out there working while he sleeps in or sits in front of the tv. These illegals are most definitely NOT paying social security anything of their wages.
And yes -- they do get by with not paying into taxes on their employees. Just like the government pretends it doesn't see the illegals coming over the border, or the illegals who came on shopping visas and stayed on, and the government doesn't question the illegals coming by to pick up food stamps and WIC on their children.
The politicians and government officials don't question the employers who hire truckloads of illegals. It could make plenty of money off fining them if it was looking for money from illegals.
Like one of my neighbors who is a citizen -- he gets work - someone thinks they're paying him $20 or more an hour as a contractor. He has a crew of illegals who do the work instead. One guy might be paid $5 an hour to plow a field -- the employer doesn't see that someone else did the work. And no - he doesn't report his whole income to the IRS - not by a long shot. He might have 4 or 5 illegals out doing work that he contracted to do - but cash isn't always reported to the IRS. Not only that - he can have his illegals out there working while he sleeps in or sits in front of the tv. These illegals are most definitely NOT paying social security anything of their wages.
I'm going to need some actual citations or sources for this actually happening. I mean we have the Social Security estimates and you are trying to refute them with anecdotes about your neighbor.
I'm going to need some actual citations or sources for this actually happening. I mean we have the Social Security estimates and you are trying to refute them with anecdotes about your neighbor.
If the social security office actually has the proof that someone is here illegally and using a stolen social security number, then wouldn't it be the government aiding and abetting illegals and allowing identity theft and document fraud?
Are you claiming the government knows exactly where these illegals are and how much money they are illegally making while here in this country? And it would have to know which employers are hiring these illegals. The same government that is supposed to enforce those laws?
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