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So how is the situation with illegals in the US because in Europe, especially in the Mediterranean we've been having an influx of illegals over the past years from North Africa, whilst northern europe has had an influx of indians and pakistanis and also arabs - but 'deportation' and all that are seldom heard here.
Simply stated. Our news agencies are now all owned by "Big Business". So everything we get is highly censored. You have to go to a foreign website and translate what is going on over there (or sometimes what going on here). They have riots in relation to it. Some of them have prisons for them. some of them shoot them on site as they try to cross the borders.
The Federal and State governments come out with laws to placate the common citizen, but in reality have no teeth. The fines related to hiring illegals is a joke compared to money saved by using an illegal work force.
We keep on heading in this direction where cheap labor from other countries keep on replacing Americans, wether thru hiring illegals or outsourcing, we will begin to see UN camps become the norm and FEMA cease to exist( For a short while we had a Feed the Children program on the TV for kids in America and notice how quickly it was removed from the air or shows up only at 3am). The current graduating class is already seeing this by the rate of pay dropping to a 80's level with expenses that are not.
If they aren't going to provide jobs to Americans, then go ahead and outsource the jobs. At least that way, the taxpayers don't have to provide all the government services such as free health care.
What you're overlooking is all the jobs that are created that are necessary to support those farmers. Fertilizer, chemicals, parts, machinists, trucking, there is a whole legion of secondary businesses that employ many Americans. Agriculture is one of the largest economic drivers in nearly every state. You push that out, you are hurting many, many more legal citizens than the few illegal working for $9.50 an hour. I can post some more info on this later if youre interested, when I have time in front of my computer.
But wages will continue to decline as you compete with Asian nations. Every other country has seen their wages fall because even Indian or Chinese migrants that enter the country LEGALLY and offer to work for a much lower wage will be preferred to someone exhibiting the same strong work ethic but asking for a higher wage. It certainly is not something to cheer about but its inevitable - with or without illegals - its all gloablization.
But some of the stories I read about charging or deporting illegals that are working and trying to raise a family in a country they were brought to unknowingly are just ridiculous. I don't think enforcing these type of laws would do any good to the american economy. Providing citizenship to these undocumented people given they pursue tertiary education or enroll themselves in military makes much more sense economically.
But wages will continue to decline as you compete with Asian nations. Every other country has seen their wages fall because even Indian or Chinese migrants that enter the country LEGALLY and offer to work for a much lower wage will be preferred to someone exhibiting the same strong work ethic but asking for a higher wage. It certainly is not something to cheer about but its inevitable - with or without illegals - its all gloablization.
But some of the stories I read about charging or deporting illegals that are working and trying to raise a family in a country they were brought to unknowingly are just ridiculous. I don't think enforcing these type of laws would do any good to the american economy. Providing citizenship to these undocumented people given they pursue tertiary education or enroll themselves in military makes much more sense economically.
Your second paragraph I agree with. People around this forum don't seem to agree. Some of us have even suggested a compromise where illegal immigrants access to social services was severely restricted for a period of several years while they earned their citizenship, but no one around here would agree. They are all fixated on the fact that these immigrants are illegal and that many of them are Mexican...
Well the USA has over 10% unemployment rates and jobs are being exported, illegals continue to pour over the border but there isn't work for them. Our welfare programs have greatly expanded to accomodate the illegals coming over the border but in many regions of the country, more births are to illegals than to citizens. That simply is not sustainable.
Very few illegals work in agriculture. Total agricultural jobs are only about 1 million with illegals holding up to 25% of these jobs - that accounts for only about 500,000 illegals at the very most but likely closer to 250,000.
Much of our food is imported and if a farmer is only going to bring in semi-trailers of illegals who cannot afford health care or the costs of raising their children here, it would be much smarter for the farmers to move their operations to other countries. But again, farming is a tiny portion of illegal immigration, so small that it's pretty insignificant.
Massive immigration is not going to increase or promote stability in the sending regions. Massive migration of people is creating a vacuum, thousands of people packing up to abandon their country is not creating jobs or building infrastructure in the areas they leave. The border itself has become a very unstable region, and massive emigration leads to only more massive emigration.
It would be better to promote stability and growth in the sending regions -- and massive immigration certainly does not accomplish that. But also the USA cannot take in all the impoverished people of the world who would like to have a comfortable middle class standard of living.
At some point, people need to build their own countries, improve their own cultures, become responsible when it comes to having children. Instead of having many children they can only feed by sneaking into other countries, they need to learn to delay the start of their families and ways to avoid having a baby every 9 or 10 months.
If they aren't going to provide jobs to Americans, then go ahead and outsource the jobs. At least that way, the taxpayers don't have to provide all the government services such as free health care.
Agreed, better to outsource then. It will also keep massive population growth down from millions pouring over our border for jobs which will in turn keep overcrowded conditions down, crime rates down, added demands on our social infrastructures and natural resources.
Some of the arguments here though are fallacious, as wages have been driven down over the past century by Asian nations. Deporting illegals will not really stop wages from being driven down, thats just globalization which we all have to deal with. Gang activity, I come to understand that it is perpetrated by gangs which are even in the US legal - most african american gangs; although crime is the more pressing matter. In fact as Judge Thrash had stated, in blocking parts of the law, that the main concern should be prosecuting illegal aliens that have committed a crime.
All of us lost jobs to cheaper wages, we have so many firms here that relocated to asian countries for cheap labour - and there is no point in being bitter about it because the jobs won't return. But honestly from an economic point of view, would the economy be better off deporting illegals that are in their final year of college or that would be graduating as doctors, engineers etc sooner rather than later? The way illegal immigration is going to be dealt with will just introduce much greater costs to businesses (these fines to those employing illegals) in a time when you need to stimulate growth.
I do think illegals need to be controlled but deporting the good illegals (the ones I mentioned above) will certainly not be a benefit to the economy especially since the immigration system denies permanent residence to chinese and indians that are educated in the US - so they go compete against it - that is really what immigration officers should work on.
So now it would be to our advantage to have these Dreamies competing for our white collar jobs also? What jobs will be left for Americans? Outsourcing and illegal aliens have taken our blue collar jobs away and now we should lose our white collar jobs also?
Outsourcing...... have taken our blue collar jobs away and now we should lose our white collar jobs also?
We are losing the white collar jobs already. Walk into retail stores and look at the employees. You'll see more older workers than in the past. I've had a conversation with a few and they came from white collar positions that were outsourced out of the US.
We are losing the white collar jobs already. Walk into retail stores and look at the employees. You'll see more older workers than in the past. I've had a conversation with a few and they came from white collar positions that were outsourced out of the US.
Yeah, outsourcing affects white collars jobs plenty. A few years back the outsourcing of white collar jobs was Forbes's number 1 trend of the year.
So now it would be to our advantage to have these Dreamies competing for our white collar jobs also? What jobs will be left for Americans? Outsourcing and illegal aliens have taken our blue collar jobs away and now we should lose our white collar jobs also?
You should ensure there's enough white collar jobs for everyone. Your elected officials should try to attract as much investment as possible and make the country more pro-business. But its questionable whether such policies would attract business. And by keeping undocumented out, you are still going to be competing with documented people that migrate to your country and ask for a lower wage.
And crime in the country would also go down if you manage better to whom you give your guns. The latest massacres that come to mind have all been perpetrated by white documented US citizens.
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