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chicagonut how beneficial these type of laws are in the long run is questionable - certainly businesses such as farmers will be mostly affected by the laws and most would either shut down or move their operations elsewhere, no doubt about it.
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Or, they will have to raise wages to attract American born workers, or work to get more visas for migrant workers. If they still cannot find workers without relying on pseudo slave wages and conditions, then they have no business being in business.
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The economic consequences could reach further than that as most of you rule out just how much illegals contribute to the economy (in tax revenue and even NORMAL consumption expenditure) - you're only on about how much they cost the economy.
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No amount of consumption or taxes can EVER make up for the amount of social services the typical illegal family with just one child (most will have several). It costs $5k per child AT LEAST to educate. It costs thousands more in WIC, foodstamps, housing assistance, medicaid, etc. Not to mention child tax credits.
The guy pulling beets at the farm for $8.00/hour is NEVER EVER going to generate enough taxes to pay for his family.
America is full-up of the the impoverished. This isn't the 1900s anymore, where nobody was guaranteed social services.
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The consequences will go far beyond economic ones even social ones -recall the controversy SB1070 stirred both nationally and internationally. We (non Americans) always thought of the US as the Land of the free and the tolerant. I can't begin to imagine how much more racist people would become as a result of such legislation.
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There was no "international controversy" among ANYONE but Latin American countries, who are so broken and defunct (and HYPOCRITICAL) that they couldn't imagine not having the United States as a safety valve to send their impoverished and unwanted brown citizens.
Check the illegal immigration policies of Mexico recently? How about the immigration policies of China, Japan, or Russia? Again, there was NO outrage, the pouting Mexicans and Shakira being notable exceptions.
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You try to blame your fiscal imbalances on illegal immigrants.
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Oh, fiscal imbalances are multi-faceted. BUT, if we're going to start cutting back social services for Americans, you better believe uninvited "guests" and their by-default eligible children are no longer going to be "welcomed" with open arms into the "system."
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You blame crime rates on illegal immigrants rather than try to fix your gun laws; handing guns to mentally ill (documented) American citizens that go on shooting sprees.
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Right. Crime rates are because of gun laws. I guess that's what compels a HUGE, disproportionate percentage of California prisons and gangs to be filled with illegal immigrants.
(Care to gander how much law enforcement, court and justice system resources are spent dealing directly and indirectly with illegal immigrant crime? We have more than enough of our own American crime, thank you).
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In spite of this, I just really hope I'm proven otherwise [that as most of you here claim there would be tremendous benefits for the country]
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America is right now taking care of and raising approximately 10% of its southern neighbor's populace. There has to be a breaking point, eventually.
Tell you what though. I know of a couple of homeless guys downtown. Give me your address, and I will move them in with you. They will sleep on your couch (i'm sure you have extra room), and will do chores for you. Only catch is that you have to feed them, and if you try to get them to leave, you'll be labelled an anti-homeless bigot.
Feel free to PM me your contact information.