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Old 06-28-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Can you cite a source showing one illegal family whose main source of income comes from their children's welfare?
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There are several reasons I ask for a cite. For one thing, often times things that seem like they might be obvious actually aren't. Often, a deeper investigation into the situation will reveal that we were completely wrong about our original assumptions. For another thing, often our perception of reality is heavily skewed by our individual biases and fears. We tend to seek explanations that conform to those biases and we ignore facts that conflict those biases. This can result in the belief of some crazy things. I think the scenario being described is highly unlikely. Being cognizant of the fact that I can be subject to the same type of bias I would like some sort of actual evidence that this even happens, we can discuss the prevalence of it later.
C’mon, the pro-illegal agenda is glaringly clear, and “cite please” is one of your directives. It is a strategy used by illegal alien advocates to discredit opponents. First, you innocently request a source. Then, the posted source is demonized, i.e. by accusing source leaders of being associated with white supremacists, or other unsavory characters. Or, the source lacks credibility due to its “anti-immigrant” stance. We know the game.

But, to honor your request, I have posted the following. Of course, there are no articles for the lion’s share of the abuse. Rarely are they detected by authorities.


YouTube - ‪Illegal Alien With 10 US Born Kids, Leaving Arizona Due To SB 1070‬‏

You do the math. . . this woman has given birth to 10 children during her 15 years of living here illegally. She and her husband are now both unemployed. As illegals, it is much more difficult to collect unemployment even if working on the books. If they were both being paid in cash, they can forget it, unless they steal the SSN of a citizen. So, who do you think is supporting this brood?


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On Monday, state and local officials in Pennsylvania held a press conference to announce their displeasure with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), after the agency failed to issue a detainer on an illegal alien arrested last week by Beaver Meadows Police Chief Mike Morresi.

The suspect, Oswaldo Tlamis-Perez, 30, was pulled over by Chief Morresi on Route 93 for speeding. When asked for his identification, the driver presented a Mexican voter registration card and ACCESS welfare benefit cards from two different states.

Heffley continued: “This situation goes to the heart of the problem of illegal immigration. Illegal immigrants are stealing welfare benefits. It's an epidemic across the state.”

According to Heffley, illegal aliens commit $1.7 million worth of welfare fraud annually in Pennsylvania.
Feds release illegal alien suspected of welfare fraud in Pennsylvania - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

What was this illegal doing with two welfare cards from two different states? No, they aren’t exploiting our welfare system. They are all hardworking people who support their families by slaving in the hot sun picking crops.

Here’s another illegal with 5 children she obviously cannot afford. Not only was she and her “boyfriend” selling drugs from their home, they were also defrauding Social Services. Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Parasites and thieves. . . . what a lovely combination.

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Vasquez has been in state custody on an immigration hold. Guillen has been out on a $100,000 bail and had regained custody of her five kids.

Agents allege that not only did Guillen, Vasquez and their boyfriends use Guillen's three-bedroom 2-bathroom house to deal drugs but also were collecting public assistance and benefiting from it illegally. The crux is at least two automobiles Guillen bought while claiming she had no income, as well as a wall-sized flat screen television, LCD screens, cell phones and other property in the home.

According to records, said public information officer Erica Stuart of the Madera County Sheriff's Department, Guillen never bothered to declare her assets when she applied at the Madera County Department of Social Services for assistance, which she has been receiving since at least 2006.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:23 AM
 
Location: California
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Benicar, many good points. Soirry, but I can't rep you again.

Hopefully, the data miners will make it easier to catch these situations in the future. After all they are using things like Fast Trac on the highways to issue computerized speeding tickets to generate income for cities.

There are endless examples of how the tax payers are getting taken but can anyone offer viable solutions? I really fear that issues like this are destroying our country and pitting one group against another. If we cannot take care of our citizens first, then how can we continue to advance and take on world issues? If people come to the U.S. because they don't like their own country, they are just leaving behind problems that need to be addressed. Running doesn't solve problems and where there is no harmony a country can't survive. It takes courage to stand up and do the right thing instead of just moving a richer government teet.

When riding a bike, you must keep going forward to keep your balance. This country must keep going forward to stay in balance and not allow the malcontents to pull us down.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:29 AM
 
Location: California
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When did the AARP sell out? Honestly asking, I haven't followed them in a while.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/18/us/18aarp.html?_r=1
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Benicar, many good points. Soirry, but I can't rep you again.

Hopefully, the data miners will make it easier to catch these situations in the future. After all they are using things like Fast Trac on the highways to issue computerized speeding tickets to generate income for cities.

There are endless examples of how the tax payers are getting taken but can anyone offer viable solutions? I really fear that issues like this are destroying our country and pitting one group against another. If we cannot take care of our citizens first, then how can we continue to advance and take on world issues? If people come to the U.S. because they don't like their own country, they are just leaving behind problems that need to be addressed. Running doesn't solve problems and where there is no harmony a country can't survive. It takes courage to stand up and do the right thing instead of just moving a richer government teet.

When riding a bike, you must keep going forward to keep your balance. This country must keep going forward to stay in balance and not allow the malcontents to pull us down.
Thanks. I agree. If we continue on this path, a total demise will be our fate. Of course, illegals will simply run back to their countries once nothing is left for them to take from us. I am still amazed at the sheer idiocy of our government.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Can you cite a source showing one illegal family whose main source of income comes from their children's welfare?
The primary source of income is being paid under the table. They point is that they don't have to use any of that money for food or health care when they can suck off the government to do that.

When I worked in a small village in Mexico, the villagers said they liked the idea of coming to the U.S. because 'everything was free.' That's the mentality of those coming here, you understand?
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Oh, you mean they are open to cutting welfare for old people.
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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C’mon, the pro-illegal agenda is glaringly clear, and “cite please” is one of your directives. It is a strategy used by illegal alien advocates to discredit opponents. First, you innocently request a source. Then, the posted source is demonized, i.e. by accusing source leaders of being associated with white supremacists, or other unsavory characters. Or, the source lacks credibility due to its “anti-immigrant” stance. We know the game.

But, to honor your request, I have posted the following. Of course, there are no articles for the lion’s share of the abuse. Rarely are they detected by authorities.


YouTube - ‪Illegal Alien With 10 US Born Kids, Leaving Arizona Due To SB 1070‬‏

You do the math. . . this woman has given birth to 10 children during her 15 years of living here illegally. She and her husband are now both unemployed. As illegals, it is much more difficult to collect unemployment even if working on the books. If they were both being paid in cash, they can forget it, unless they steal the SSN of a citizen. So, who do you think is supporting this brood?



Feds release illegal alien suspected of welfare fraud in Pennsylvania - National Immigration Reform | Examiner.com

What was this illegal doing with two welfare cards from two different states? No, they aren’t exploiting our welfare system. They are all hardworking people who support their families by slaving in the hot sun picking crops.

Here’s another illegal with 5 children she obviously cannot afford. Not only was she and her “boyfriend” selling drugs from their home, they were also defrauding Social Services. Again, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Parasites and thieves. . . . what a lovely combination.
Excellent summary of pro illegal agenda. I find they are often devious, pretend to be ignorant, and in general refuse to take in factual knowledege the doesn't suit them. Two articles are stunning in that the seriousness of crimes don't seem to be taken seriously by ICE/GOV.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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What do you suppose will happen to social security when many elderly illegals are given amnesty and their quick easy citizenship? They aren't coming because they intend to return home for their retirement. Social security checks are one big prize they have their eyes on.

Americans working since age 16 will have paid in for decades but illegals who show up at age 50 or 55 will demand their checks and comfy American retirement.
How will they demand checks when the wages taken out when they worked were under different names?

Not to mention, if you take out what the illegals do pay into SS, and don't collect, that fund will be depleted even faster for valid people looking forward to SS checks.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:22 PM
 
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You can get on SS without paying into it if you have a disability.
It helps to comprehend what you yourself write and when someone is referring to it.
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Old 06-28-2011, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Do you really think we should be modeling our immigration policy after North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, and China?
Not our immigration policies.
However we can learn something about holding violators accountable.
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