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Old 06-28-2011, 07:04 PM
 
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Not our immigration policies.
However we can learn something about holding violators accountable.
If you don't want someone on your land that is fine, I don't mind if they are on mine.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:25 PM
 
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Do you really think we should be modeling our immigration policy after North Korea, Iran, Afghanistan, and China?

No, and I never mentioned those countries. Please read again and again, if necessary.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:29 PM
 
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Not our immigration policies.
However we can learn something about holding violators accountable.

Yes, we need to learn that we responsible for our own actions and not to expect the American tax payer to pick up the tab.

One more time, I never mentioned those countries but they are being quoted from another's posts. Nice try at twisting.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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Yes, we need to learn that we responsible for our own actions and not to expect the American tax payer to pick up the tab.
Wouldn't the abolition of Social Security and Medicare be in line with this opinion?
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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If you don't want someone on your land that is fine, I don't mind if they are on mine.

But, we are expected to pay for the law breakers.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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Wouldn't the abolition of Social Security and Medicare be in line with this opinion?

As it was pointed out to you previously, SS and Medicare are paid into by the taxpayers - not the law breakers.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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Yes, we need to learn that we responsible for our own actions and not to expect the American tax payer to pick up the tab.
This is a good premise. Why should another American pay for the subsidies demanded other Americans in the order of limited competition? In various ways these are almost the same thing. One is a direct cost applied to all taxpayer and the other is a cost in the form of higher product costs distributed to all consumers

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One more time, I never mentioned those countries but they are being quoted from another's posts. Nice try at twisting.
Then I deeply apologize, but given that you answered a question that was posed to another poster it would be easy to get confused.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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As it was pointed out to you previously, SS and Medicare are paid into by the taxpayers - not the law breakers.
Some of those taxpayers are also illegals.
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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As it was pointed out to you previously, SS and Medicare are paid into by the taxpayers - not the law breakers.
Yes, I understand that (although illegals pay more taxes than you seem to think), but there are two issues.

1. Seniors are currently pulling out more than they ever put in
2. It's still welfare - Social Security is basically the government's way of dealing with the fact that people are not competent at saving. So is Medicare (although it has the benefit of covering unexpected catastrophic costs).
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Old 06-28-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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But, we are expected to pay for the law breakers.
If speaking of trespassing there isn't any financial costs associated with it. If you mean of other issues then those can be dealt with separately, but the issues of violating "sovereignty" and by that I mean the imaginary line that other people drew around my property and told me who i can and cannot have on my land, then the costs are near 0.
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