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Old 06-28-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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They profile without profiling, presumably...
They don't profile, period. I see you have the pro-illegal propaganda down pat.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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They don't profile, period. I see you have the pro-illegal propaganda down pat.
So how do they judge?
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Looking to catch people by harrassing the citizenry for the smallest thing in the hopes of catching a few people here illegally is not exactly a shining star for freedom in America.

It just seems to me that a country based on not being harassed by police or the government is becoming more and more dependent on harassing and invading privacy of the "majority" of it's citizens just to catch a few "poor people" looking for work.

If your stance is "deport all illegals now" your free to believe that but for the rest of us people who DON'T want to live in a harassing police state I beg of you to find a different way.

Once you have managed to deport every illegal in the U.S. and have walls as high as Mt. Everest and your borders are secure and little bunnys are hopping all around in glee THOSE POLICE are going to have to find something else to do to keep busy to keep the arrests up, to keep the income flowing in, to justify their jobs it will just keep going and going until 1984 it is......

Find a different way other than giving police more power than the MORE POWER they already shouldn't have.
I was going to add something to the effect of "At what cost?" at the end of my post...

I realize the danger in giving police more power, and trying to take it back later...

But these guys like everyone else stopped, maybe changing that to affect them will wake them up more...
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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They don't profile, period.
Please enlighten us.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:26 PM
 
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I was going to add something to the effect of "At what cost?" at the end of my post...

I realize the danger in giving police more power, and trying to take it back later...

But these guys like everyone else stopped, maybe changing that to affect them will wake them up more...

No one is stopped unless it is under lawful contact. At that time all people are expected to have valid I.D. on them. Is that what you call harrassment?
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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No one is stopped unless it is under lawful contact. At that time all people are expected to have valid I.D. on them. Is that what you call harrassment?
I am not required to have valid I.D. on me at all times. You are 100% wrong.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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No one is stopped unless it is under lawful contact. At that time all people are expected to have valid I.D. on them. Is that what you call harrassment?
In addition to not needing ID, the standard in AZ is not "lawful contact." That was the original wording of the AZ law, which include saying things like "Good morning, officer!" when you passed by Officer Jim on the way to the bakery. The revised AZ law now requires suspicion of committing a crime, or violating an ordinance.
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Old 06-28-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...The revised AZ law now requires suspicion of committing a crime, or violating an ordinance.
But I think in operation it would come down to a Terry Stop...
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