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Old 06-28-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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Believing a law should be followed even if it is a bad law seems rather un-American to me.

 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...We have over 310 million people here all fighting for jobs and resources today.
(Your number also includes illegal aliens)

Isn't that the American way? Capitalism? "Work will set you free", from a context of being more truthful?
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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I would say being Pro-America would mean believing in the RULE OF LAW. A concept you pro-illegal types cant seem to grasp.
I grasp it fully.

For example, and this is 100% off the top of my head, when an illegal immigrant has a child here, that child is a U.S. citizen with full citizenship rights. Rule of law!
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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(Your number also includes illegal aliens)

Isn't that the American way? Capitalism? "Work will set you free", from a context of being more truthful?
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Uh, I know that it includes illegals. Capitalism doesn't mean breaking laws to achieve money.
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:09 PM
 
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We used to take in the world's poorest. They helped make America great.
Yes, and we took them legally.

Here illegally and you have a criminal mind set. You have decided that being illegal is not going to stop you from getting what you want. Have decided to ignore the law as it gets in the way of what you want.

That is not one toe over the line, that is both feet and the next steps are then easier...No drivers license, no insurance, fake ID, stolen SS#, then the next steps.....
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:13 PM
 
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Yes, and we took them legally.
And I'd like to be taking those that are now illegal legally as well.

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Here illegally and you have a criminal mind set. You have decided that being illegal is not going to stop you from getting what you want. Have decided to ignore the law as it gets in the way of what you want.

That is not one toe over the line, that is both feet and the next steps are then easier...No drivers license, no insurance, fake ID, stolen SS#, then the next steps.....
Do you have any evidence that illegals, made legal, are particularly likely for their demographic to be prone to crime?
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...Capitalism doesn't mean breaking laws to achieve money.
It often means bending them quite a bit...

And sometimes they break...

Mexicans do even better at Capitalism: You pay money to get in the country, you (typically) pay money to get out of the country, you (typically) pay money to travel to the interior of the country...

Never forget those "waving palms"...
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:15 PM
 
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Yes, and we took them legally.

Here illegally and you have a criminal mind set. You have decided that being illegal is not going to stop you from getting what you want. Have decided to ignore the law as it gets in the way of what you want.

That is not one toe over the line, that is both feet and the next steps are then easier...No drivers license, no insurance, fake ID, stolen SS#, then the next steps.....
Im not sure if you know much about capitalism. But basically it works off supply and demand.

There is a demand of people to do jobs that the illegals do. This is a fact. The supply of jobs through legal means however is bottlenecked. America gives an artificially low number of work visas to countries such as Mexico at a low level of skills and education.

Now, this is fine if the citizens in a country were willing to do these jobs, but it is clear from Georgia right now this isnt true.

So supply cannot meet demand and that means the market will be distorted - either "unofficial" supply via illegal migrants will be created or the jobs will go unfilled and the industry will suffer as is happening in Georgia.

The problem is clear, the solution is clear. Increase the number of unskilled work visas that are given out.

Here is the thing you need to know:

People in favour of illegal migrants arent in favour of illegal migration. They ARE in favour of LEGAL migration, but the current legal migration framework is broken and not fit for purpose. It needs to be fixed, and by fixed it is clear to anyone who has examined the situation that means more legal migrants are needed and the easiest way to do that is the give work visas to the current illegals.
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Yes, and we took them legally...
You are applying the term "legally" to some in the same context that indigenous tribes hundreds of years ago also hunted deer "legally"...

Some of those "taken in" were so poor they only had their dark skin...
 
Old 06-28-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: California
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Believing a law should be followed even if it is a bad law seems rather un-American to me.
Perverting the Lazurus poem to have anything to do with the meaning of the Statue of Liberty, is un-American to me. Perception doesn't equate to facts.
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