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Old 06-29-2011, 08:13 PM
 
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I know this is titled "Why So Little Faith In The American Worker?" but maybe we should include "Why So Little Faith In The System By The American Worker."

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Agreed that California is being it's counter productive self by passing more intrusive laws. But I can't help but see the parallels between this kind of protectionist "force you to buy local even if it costs more" and a lot of the protectionist tough on immigration talk.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Yes, and the constant search and always being turned away or ignored is very soul destroying. Plus, unemployment makes it very difficult to improve your situation, at least here in California. If you do ANY work, even if it is unpaid, they want to know so they can deduct so much from your payment. If you start taking classes to help improve your chances they want to know so they can determine whether or not they should now cut you off completely from unemployment, because if you are attending school you CAN'T be looking for work! I'm finding that even at only 48 I am "too old" now for an employer to invest in as an employee. My sister is 59 so she is having an even harder time. But, she is still considered "too young" to work as a greeter at Walmart! My sister had been an auditor and quality control specialist and she's now not even qualified to work for Walmart. What a sick joke!
lol at walmart. What age do you have to be for them?

Again, good luck in the job market. It sounds like you are taking the opportunity to explore your options and take classes, which should help you get a leg up in the long run.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Thats not how the whole wages thing works. Its not an employer's job to make sure employees can pay their bills or save for retirement. Wages are based on the value of the work the employee provides.
So, based on your statement, the work illegals provide is not of a very high value to any employer, considering the low wages they are paid?

Yet, I go to a job interview and can provide outstanding references from two CEOs, a CFO, two company directors, a director of library research (from a State Archives), a noted book author, one former rock star and one old but still active rock star, and former clients, included with my certifications and experience, but the most I am WORTH to an employer is $9.50 an hour??? Current hiring practices have become absurd.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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lol at walmart. What age do you have to be for them?

Again, good luck in the job market. It sounds like you are taking the opportunity to explore your options and take classes, which should help you get a leg up in the long run.
Apparently UNDER 30 and OVER 65
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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So, based on your statement, the work illegals provide is not of a very high value to any employer, considering the low wages they are paid?
Right
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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Yet, I go to a job interview and can provide outstanding references from two CEOs, a CFO, two company directors, a director of library research (from a State Archives), a noted book author, one former rock star and one old but still active rock star, and former clients, included with my certifications and experience, but the most I am WORTH to an employer is $9.50 an hour??? Current hiring practices have become absurd.
I mean, no one is making valuations of you as a human being, of course, but sometimes it feels like that.

When the market is full of potential workers, the value of hiring you goes down, so you are going to get lesser offers.
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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Why are you so fixated on wages? The op clearly states that he is often much more expensive that his cheap foreign competition, but he makes up for it in other ways. What he pays his employees has exactly zero to do with the point he is trying to prove that in a free market if you can't be the cheapest you find other ways to compete eg by providing a better product. Can you or can you not understand this?
I don't believe you have a grasp on the reality that the new concept is "Cheap"! People and businesses want cheap labor, cheap products, cheap everything. The use of the word cheap means "Costs less". When materials and other costs go up a company looks to cut their costs in whatever way they can. Companies have little control over all of the costs except their own personnel costs. This is not new but is now prevalent that the way they do this is cut the cost of employees. Cutting the cost is cutting salaries, cutting the number of employees, cutting benefits, etc. The one thing that any company has direct and easy control over is personnel and personnel costs and they first look to that before anything else to reduce costs.

Maybe you should take some business courses?
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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Thats not how the whole wages thing works. Its not an employer's job to make sure employees can pay their bills or save for retirement. Wages are based on the value of the work the employee provides.
I do believe you need to get a grip and rethink this. During the high flying years of early 2000's please explain how corporations were hiring people at so much more than they are now? Employees were jumping ship from one company to another at a very fast pace just because they could demand a higher pay at the next company. Companies were scrambling to fill their jobs and the print want ads were larger than the normal Sunday papers with the online job boards crammed with unfilled jobs.

Companies at the high flying times were bloated with people that are now gone and one person is performing their work as well as two or three others work. When new employees are hired they are certainly not demanding the high flying day wages they were. If one person is now performing the work of several, and getting paid the same or less, then please explain how your statement holds water?
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:51 AM
 
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I do believe you need to get a grip and rethink this. During the high flying years of early 2000's please explain how corporations were hiring people at so much more than they are now? Employees were jumping ship from one company to another at a very fast pace just because they could demand a higher pay at the next company. Companies were scrambling to fill their jobs and the print want ads were larger than the normal Sunday papers with the online job boards crammed with unfilled jobs.

Companies at the high flying times were bloated with people that are now gone and one person is performing their work as well as two or three others work. When new employees are hired they are certainly not demanding the high flying day wages they were. If one person is now performing the work of several, and getting paid the same or less, then please explain how your statement holds water?
How does it not? The "value" of labor is not a static concept that exists outside of the ability and willingness of an employer to supply it. If one company is valuing your labor higher than another, you'll be more likely to go there. If the economy shrinks, the valuation of labor within it may shrink as well.
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:53 AM
 
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I do believe you need to get a grip and rethink this. During the high flying years of early 2000's please explain how corporations were hiring people at so much more than they are now? Employees were jumping ship from one company to another at a very fast pace just because they could demand a higher pay at the next company. Companies were scrambling to fill their jobs and the print want ads were larger than the normal Sunday papers with the online job boards crammed with unfilled jobs.

Companies at the high flying times were bloated with people that are now gone and one person is performing their work as well as two or three others work. When new employees are hired they are certainly not demanding the high flying day wages they were. If one person is now performing the work of several, and getting paid the same or less, then please explain how your statement holds water?
The answer doesn't seem all that complicated to me. When workers are in short supply, the workers at a given company are more valuable to the company because they can't be replaced as easily.
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