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View Poll Results: Which choice is worse for America?
Outsource to foreign country 11 47.83%
Hire illegal immigrants 12 52.17%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-30-2011, 11:32 PM
 
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It's a recession, and the fact is that companies are looking to cut costs. A company needs to get a certain task done and it can either A) hire illegal labor with fake SS cards at $10 an hour or B) outsource the project to a poor Asian country.

Which choice is worse for America and why? Please back it up and tell me what specifically goes into your value judgement. US economy, social programs, crime, culture degradation, world economy, rule of law is the rule of law because of the rule of law, whatever is your criteria. There may or may not be a right answer to this, I honestly don't know.

Assume the benefits for the company to be neutral for it gets the task completed either way with the same overall costs and quality. If that's a BS assumption, which it may be, and it completely blows your mind to the point of not allowing you to answer hypotheticals, tell me why and back it up.

Both of these are happening today, so it shouldn't be too foreign of a hypothetical to reason out. Also, if you think the company is evil and greedy and blah, blah, blah, you could be right. But still let me know which is the lesser of two evils that this evil company could choose.

Also if you are of the more optimistic ilk and prefer to look on the bright side of the issues and to answer it as "Which is better for America", then go ahead. Who am I to stop you from wearing those rosie specs.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:59 PM
 
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Don't give the illegals anything. Just give them ride back to Mexico.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Neither.

[what next: cut-off left arm vs. cut-off right arm?]
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:41 AM
 
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How could bringing an impoverished class into the USA and paying dirt wages without job benefits and refusing to hire Americans be beneficial in any way?

It costs the American taxpayer a lot of taxes to provide the free health care, the free schools with free lunches, housing and so on for all this cheap labor. Outsourcing at least doesn't put the burden on providing services on our taxpayers but also if it's all about cheap labor, the labor is cheaper if outsourced because the costs of living in the USA are much higher than in other countries.

However also there are the societal costs of divided families when bringing in cheap peons to leave their children and families to come here. What becomes of the fatherless and parentless children who are left to grow up without parents in the home because the parents are living 3000 miles away?
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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Can you please explain what culture degradation means so I can properly evaluate the question? Thanks.
I have no clue, I just have read that it's a big concern in other threads and threw it in as an example.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Tempe, Az
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It's a recession, and the fact is that companies are looking to cut costs. A company needs to get a certain task done and it can either A) hire illegal labor with fake SS cards at $10 an hour or B) outsource the project to a poor Asian country.

Which choice is worse for America and why? Please back it up and tell me what specifically goes into your value judgement. US economy, social programs, crime, culture degradation, world economy, rule of law is the rule of law because of the rule of law, whatever is your criteria. There may or may not be a right answer to this, I honestly don't know.

Assume the benefits for the company to be neutral for it gets the task completed either way with the same overall costs and quality. If that's a BS assumption, which it may be, and it completely blows your mind to the point of not allowing you to answer hypotheticals, tell me why and back it up.

Both of these are happening today, so it shouldn't be too foreign of a hypothetical to reason out. Also, if you think the company is evil and greedy and blah, blah, blah, you could be right. But still let me know which is the lesser of two evils that this evil company could choose.

Also if you are of the more optimistic ilk and prefer to look on the bright side of the issues and to answer it as "Which is better for America", then go ahead. Who am I to stop you from wearing those rosie specs.
Many people would be HAPPY working for 10 an hour LEGALLY so your poll is a fail. Especialy when unemployment checks ends.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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You forgot to add Option "C" both are worse.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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It's a recession, and the fact is that companies are looking to cut costs. A company needs to get a certain task done and it can either A) hire illegal labor with fake SS cards at $10 an hour or B) outsource the project to a poor Asian country.

Which choice is worse for America and why? Please back it up and tell me what specifically goes into your value judgement. US economy, social programs, crime, culture degradation, world economy, rule of law is the rule of law because of the rule of law, whatever is your criteria. There may or may not be a right answer to this, I honestly don't know.

Assume the benefits for the company to be neutral for it gets the task completed either way with the same overall costs and quality. If that's a BS assumption, which it may be, and it completely blows your mind to the point of not allowing you to answer hypotheticals, tell me why and back it up.

Both of these are happening today, so it shouldn't be too foreign of a hypothetical to reason out. Also, if you think the company is evil and greedy and blah, blah, blah, you could be right. But still let me know which is the lesser of two evils that this evil company could choose.

Also if you are of the more optimistic ilk and prefer to look on the bright side of the issues and to answer it as "Which is better for America", then go ahead. Who am I to stop you from wearing those rosie specs.
For one, outsourcing isn't against the law, hiring illegal aliens is. However, both are negatively impacting American jobs. At least with outsourcing we aren't having to cover the foreign worker's social costs and they aren't using our schools, jails and hospitals and adding to our crime rates and they aren't using stolen ID's and SS numbers.

I think it is you that is wearing the rose colored spectacles if you think that illegal immigration isn't more harmful overall than outsourcing.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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You forgot to add Option "C" both are worse.
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Old 07-01-2011, 08:45 AM
 
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You forgot to add Option "C" both are worse.
True, but I'd say that outsourcing is the lesser of the two evils. Like chicagonut said, we wouldn't have criminals living among us, abusing our social services and burdening taxpayers.
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