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So... if you have nothing to contribute to this society, why sould we let them? It's funny that you left the "unskilled" part out at first.
So it's easy to migrate here legally, provided you are not looking to mooch and leech off of the government.
Thanks for clearing that up for me.
unskilled != "nothing to contribute".
Do you think those americans that are losing their jobs to these immigrants contribute nothing to society?
What is your obsession with Mexicans? If Mexicans do not qualify for visas, they must accept our decision, and move on. We have no legal or moral obligation to grant visas to every Mexican who wishes to live or work in this country. This is beyond ridiculous.
Why do you think you have a moral obligation to stop an American from hiring a Mexican she thinks will do a good job for her business?
Do you think those americans that are losing their jobs to these immigrants contribute nothing to society?
They aren't, because they are losing their jobs. Derp.
How about this: For people believe the crap that people deserve a spot in this country illegally "just because", how about they pay for their food and other needs when they hold their hand out? But let me guess: I'm wrong for not wanting to pay for them to come here ilegally?
Business' found harboring and hiring these people should be fined or even jailed.
A lot of countries have somewhat strict policies.. why should we just let everyone just waltz on in?
Yes, I understand that. It's a hypothetical analogy. Can you answer the question?
I tend to ignore irrelevant analogies. So do most people.
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What's magical about the minimum wage, exactly? This is a huge red herring because the illegals we're talking about are almost all making more than minimum wage anyway.
So we should throw away our hard won labor laws to help high school drop outs from Mexico and South America? Why?
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What's unfair about asking the guy next door for help? Is the guy next door obligated to help just because someone asks him? None of this has anything to do with this situation.
You really don't understand this issue, do you?
When you argue that you get to bid down labor, you're arguing bidding it down so low that someone can't survive without access to the welfare system. That welfare system is funded by the American taxpayer. Why should someone lose their jobs and then get taxed so that an unskilled person can come here? Worse, so that a greedy employer can make a profit because he's too cheap to employ locals?
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Wait, illegal immigrants commanded you to set up a welfare system? Wow, this is news to me. If you don't like the way the welfare system is set up, take it up with the people who set it up.
No. They get access to it. Have a baby and the taxpayer foots the bill. Worse, feeds the family. Make him legal and all you do is increase the number of people feeding at the welfare system and not paying for it.
Illegals should be told to leave, not given permission to come here, bid down jobs and get food stamps.
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lol the old "we're being forced to learn spanish" bellyache. Seriously, this just reeks of lazy entitlement syndrome.
So if I don't want to be forced to learn another language because you want to invite the world's people here against my will I'm lazy? Can I move to Mexico, refuse to learn Spanish and then run around lecturing locals about how lazy they are?
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* the tax argument is bogus. Illegals pay taxes, more than citizens doing the same work
You're ill informed. Illegals often work off the books. The ones who work on the books pay little in taxes because they earn little. Legalize them and all you'll do is give them even more access to our tax dollars. I understand if you're a kid who doesn't pay taxes. You don't care because it only affects your parents. But those of us who are adults don't like paying more taxes. Particularly to subsidize the economic desires of Latino high school drop outs.
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* the "we gotta learn spanish" argument is bogus. the workforce has always been improving, more skills are expected than were expected 10 years ago, and that's always been the case. If you don't want to learn spanish, or math, or computer basics, that's fine, but you're excluding yourself from jobs. You expect the whole world to stop moving just so YOU don't have to learn something new? Give me a break.
The workforce will not improve if you argue that we should allow open borders. All you'll do is give more low skilled people an incentive to move here. Outside of polysci 101 that's a bad thing for most Americans.
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* the "lower wages" argument is bogus as well. This is a global economy. If you want to command higher wages, you need to provide more value. Keeping low-skill workers out will help some, but only for a portion of the workforce. Global forces are going to drive the price of labor regardless.
It may be a global economy but most countries do their best to protect their workers. We need to make sure we're one of them. Our own low skilled laborers do not deserve to be thrown out of work merely so some overprivileged college kids can feel good about themselves.
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It's pretty hilarious that you complain about other people just trying to get a job lowering your wages (the audacity!) while simultaneously complaining about having to do anything that might actually improve your productivity and attractiveness to employers.
Dear, I made over 80k last year. I am not concerned about employment. I am concerned about foolish children who want to raise my taxes so they can feel good about themselves.
We do not owe low skilled non-English speakers the right to move here. We certainly don't owe them the right to get access to food stamps and other forms of welfare so they can take five dollar an hour jobs.
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So basically I'm just minding your own business and you're going to violently interfere just because you want an easy, fat paycheck?
Of course. I'm a lazy American who refuses to learn Spanish. Hell I probably attend KKK rallies in my spare time. Sure.
When minding your own business becomes importing workers to take tax dollars and lower labor standards that's not minding your own business. That's stupid. It's not going to get ignored just because the prof told you so.
They aren't, because they are losing their jobs. Derp.
How about this: For people believe the crap that people deserve a spot in this country illegally "just because", how about they pay for their food and other needs when they hold their hand out? But let me guess: I'm wrong for not wanting to pay for them to come here ilegally?
Business' found harboring and hiring these people should be fined or even jailed.
A lot of countries have somewhat strict policies.. why should we just let everyone just waltz on in?
What if, instead of just giving them food and other needs, I give them money to cover their needs in exchange for them doing work for me?
As for the policies of other countries, I thought we were in America, the greatest country on earth. Why should we take notes on how to run our country from North Korea, Iran, or Saudi Arabia? Or even the British, who our ancestors died face down in the mud fighting for our policies not to be dictated by the British?
I guess you've missed that due to ridiculous and counterproductive restrictions on immigration, it's impossible for many of these people to move here legally. I don't really want people to come here illegally either. I'd rather it were possible for them to live the American dream legally.
They don't belong here. Period. They bid down wages, take tax dollars and let Mexico's rich people continue to perpetrate their own fifedom. We have millions of unemployed people. Why do we need to add millions of low skilled people who don't speak English?
Why do you want these people here? Is the solution to global poverty really just move them all here? Is anyone foolish enough to believe such nonsense?
Are any of you employed? Unemployed? Do you even pay federal taxes? Or is this all just a big giant joke for you while you bide time getting your degree from Buck*uckville Community College?
Why do you think you have a moral obligation to stop an American from hiring a Mexican she thinks will do a good job for her business?
What if she wants to hire a ten year old? Ask someone to work fifteen hours a day with no breaks? Since when did our labor laws become something that must be bent and thrown out to meet the needs of foreign nationals and jerkish employers?
Do you think those americans that are losing their jobs to these immigrants contribute nothing to society?
Why aren't Americans allowed anything? We're not allowed to set own borders, cling to our own language or even defend our own jobs. Unskilled Mexicans are Carlos Slim's problem. They are not America's problem. Let him pay for them.
We have enough unskilled people here. The last thing we need to do is import even more. A few million Americans cannot be held liable for the needs of all the world's poor people.
What if she wants to hire a ten year old? Ask someone to work fifteen hours a day with no breaks? Since when did our labor laws become something that must be bent and thrown out to meet the needs of foreign nationals and jerkish employers?
A lot of American employers hire citizens to work long hours. I mean, my dad works like a dog. I don't know how he tolerates putting in the hours he does, working weekends too. If it weren't for the fact that he makes a bunch of money and wants to bust his ass to show that he shouldn't be replaced by some young hotshot, and that he does this work voluntarily, I'd call it slavery.
I routinely work more than 40 hours a week, too, sometimes much more. I think workers can negotiate almost any kind of contract with their employer, or at least they have the power to go to another employer who offers better terms. That's how capitalism works, right?
Ten year olds are another case, of course. They're young, and they're not capable of negotiating a fair contract.
Why do you think you have a moral obligation to stop an American from hiring a Mexican she thinks will do a good job for her business?
As long as the Mexican is legal, and has not displaced a qualified U.S. citizen, I have no problem. Why should I?
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