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Old 07-05-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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So where did the founders give their support for illegal immigration?
I just quoted you a widely-referenced document where they expressed dislike for arbitrary restrictions on immigration. That's all I claimed they said.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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The founding fathers were "illegal" themselves.
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:31 PM
 
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The founding fathers were "illegal" themselves.
Really? Where are Indian immigration laws written?
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Old 07-05-2011, 03:52 PM
 
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Ok, that's cool. I also believe things are different nowadays.

So when someone makes a claim like "this nation was founded on white Christian culture" or whatever, you guys will jump on that argument too, right?
What's to "jump on"? Those are the facts.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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I just quoted you a widely-referenced document where they expressed dislike for arbitrary restrictions on immigration. That's all I claimed they said.
So this has nothing to do with illegal immigration then?
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:28 PM
 
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What's to "jump on"? Those are the facts.
But it has nothing to do with any current issue because times have changed.
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:29 PM
 
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So this has nothing to do with illegal immigration then?
You don't see what restrictions on immigration have to do with illegal immigration?
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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They also believed in slavery, hanging,settling a dispute with a duel, executing people for treason and and many other things we no longer do...
As far as "hanging", we Americans still have capital punishment (many other countries have stopped this practice, grouping us nicely with mostly Islamic nations, should we adapt to the times as well?). We also still execute people for treason (the laws are there, just that we haven't had to do it often in the environment now). The founders of this great country also operated in the context only for White males to have the abilities of citizenship.

That has changed too...

For being a "Christian nation", I don't see those ideals espoused enough nowadays...
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Old 07-05-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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As far as "hanging", we Americans still have capital punishment (many other countries have stopped this practice, grouping us nicely with mostly Islamic nations, should we adapt to the times as well?). We also still execute people for treason (the laws are there, just that we haven't had to do it often in the environment now). The founders of this great country also operated in the context only for White males to have the abilities of citizenship.

That has changed too...

For being a "Christian nation", I don't see those ideals espoused enough nowadays...
So what? Anyone can become a citizen these days just as long as they follow the rules to become one.

Yes, I see enough non-Christian ideals from the pro-illegals who think that laws shouldn't be adhered to and that it is ok to lie and steal to get what you want.
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Old 07-05-2011, 05:12 PM
 
Location: California
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At the time you are quoting, the States themselves determined who was to become a Citizen or not, they also required that these immigrants register with the local government, follow all laws for atleast 7 years and were required to take an oath swearing allegiance to the, at the time, King of England.

At the time of the Declaration of Independence (1776), the States were still the granters of citizenship and still denied paupers, vagabonds, and fugitives from being allowed to join the ranks of free citizens, required 7 years after registry with the local Government and were only Citizens of said State.

The Articles of Confederation (1781), Article 4, the Citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several States. So, there was still an orderly fashion in which one must follow in order to become a "free citizen" as each state still was the one to grant citizenship to someone as long as they met the requirements as above.

The US Constitution (1788), Article 1, Section 8, took the rules and gave them to the US Congress for which INA's have been around since 1795.

So, yes there was restrictions on who could obtain citizenship at that time, as most paupers and vagabonds were ran out of town and in other instances out of state. The immigration conundrum of the time wasn't what it is today.
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