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Yes, but of course subject to a criminal background check, a health check, and I'd even be willing to hear compromises such as immigrants being ineligible to receive welfare benefits for the first couple years they are here.
It benefits Americans because we get a bunch more people to work in our economy, more people paying taxes, and we spend less money on deportation hearings. Immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. And then, yes, everyone is legal, so there would be no shadow economy. And everyone would pay their taxes and conform to business regulations.
What part of low skilled migrants from Latin America do not pay much in taxes does your side not understand?
This is a fact. The majority of the people in question are very low wage workers. If you make $10 an hour that's 20k a year and at or close to the poverty line. You are not going to pay much in taxes on that income. You're certainly not going to be a net benefit to anyone but yourself.
Your side keeps arguing that we should allow people to come here for jobs.
I'll type in out in all caps so you can understand: THERE ARE NO JOBS.
Job growth is anemic. Granting American citizenship to low skilled Mexicans who do not speak English is not going to change this fact. All you'll do is give people from Mexico a second safety net at American taxpayer expense. No one has proven why we Americans should do that.
Some immigrants are beneficial to the American economy. The average high school drop out from Mexico with three kids who does not speak English is not. Americans owe them nothing. If you're going to argue otherwise well as someone wrote then do us all a favor and give them YOUR taxes and YOUR job not mine.
This whole argument is insane.
Mexicans should stay in Mexico unless specifically invited by Americans. That's their country. This is ours. Period. They aren't poor or dying. They're just sending us their underclass. They should take responsibility for their own unskilled laborers and stop demanding the right to send them here.
What part of low skilled migrants from Latin America do not pay much in taxes does your side not understand?
This is a fact. The majority of the people in question are very low wage workers. If you make $10 an hour that's 20k a year and at or close to the poverty line. You are not going to pay much in taxes on that income. You're certainly not going to be a net benefit to anyone but yourself.
Your side keeps arguing that we should allow people to come here for jobs.
I'll type in out in all caps so you can understand: THERE ARE NO JOBS.
Okay?
Supply and demand. If there are no jobs here then few immigrants will apply for a job in which they have to travel further distances than a local person.
Job growth is anemic. Granting American citizenship to low skilled Mexicans who do not speak English is not going to change this fact. All you'll do is give people from Mexico a second safety net at American taxpayer expense. No one has proven why we Americans should do that.
Some immigrants are beneficial to the American economy. The average high school drop out from Mexico with three kids who does not speak English is not. Americans owe them nothing. If you're going to argue otherwise well as someone wrote then do us all a favor and give them YOUR taxes and YOUR job not mine.
I agree America doesn't owe Mexicans anything, not does America owe Americans anything. If jobs are low then even having absolutely limitless immigration doesn't matter, no one will come.
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This whole argument is insane.
Mexicans should stay in Mexico unless specifically invited by Americans. That's their country. This is ours. Period. They aren't poor or dying. They're just sending us their underclass. They should take responsibility for their own unskilled laborers and stop demanding the right to send them here.
This ignores the economic realities. A job in the modern world isn't "American" or any other country, a job is international. If a T shirt maker wants to make shirts they will relocate anywhere they need to produce T shirts profitably. Shouldn't workers be able to do the same thing?
Supply and demand. If there are no jobs here then few immigrants will apply for a job in which they have to travel further distances than a local person.
I agree America doesn't owe Mexicans anything, not does America owe Americans anything. If jobs are low then even having absolutely limitless immigration doesn't matter, no one will come.
Americans are part of the American nation under the law of the constitution. Foreign nationals from Mexico do not fall under that category. They aren't owed anything let alone the right to come here and take low wage jobs as well as food stamps and other benefits.
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This ignores the economic realities. A job in the modern world isn't "American" or any other country, a job is international. If a T shirt maker wants to make shirts they will relocate anywhere they need to produce T shirts profitably. Shouldn't workers be able to do the same thing?
Every country protects their workers. That's one of the purposes of our federal government. Many jobs are not international. You can't fight fires in Florida from Guatemala. This notion that we're just supposed to let the global capitalists screw us over without a fight so we can let college kids feel good about themselves and Dems troll for Hispanic votes is not a winning strategy.
Americans are part of the American nation under the law of the constitution. Foreign nationals from Mexico do not fall under that category. They aren't owed anything let alone the right to come here and take low wage jobs as well as food stamps and other benefits.
Foreign nationals ARE under the law of the constitution. Whose law do you think you are under when you visit another country, American? Americans aren't owed anything just for being Americans nor are anyone else. That is the nature of economics. There are no special assumptions.
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Every country protects their workers. That's one of the purposes of our federal government. Many jobs are not international. You can't fight fires in Florida from Guatemala. This notion that we're just supposed to let the global capitalists screw us over without a fight so we can let college kids feel good about themselves and Dems troll for Hispanic votes is not a winning strategy.
Well at least your getting better. No fires in Florida can't be fought from Guatemala but Guatemalans could come to Florida to train to be fire fighters in Florida. Likewise Floridians could go to Guatemala to train to be firefighters. Global capitalism isn't a pipe dream made by elite liberals, it is an economic reality. Why do you think China is a world manufacturer and not Britain? You hand waving away of economic realities does nothing to help America, protectionist and xenophobic policies only hurt America, and as a true American I believe that Americans can compete worldwide and win, and don't need the hand of the nanny state to protect their jobs.
Americans are part of the American nation under the law of the constitution. Foreign nationals from Mexico do not fall under that category. They aren't owed anything let alone the right to come here and take low wage jobs as well as food stamps and other benefits...
I'm married to a Mexican National, with three Mexican National stepchildren, here in the United States. They aren't U.S. citizens, but have Legal Permanent Resident status. Tell me why the U.S. Constitution does not apply to them.
I'm married to a Mexican National, with three Mexican National stepchildren, here in the United States. They aren't U.S. citizens, but have Legal Permanent Resident status. Tell me why the U.S. Constitution does not apply to them.
It shouldn't. They aren't US citizens. They should not qualify for all the welfare handouts like food stamps and Medicaid. And if they commit a crime then they should be returned home.
And Mexicans can't have it both ways. Like the recent guy executed in Texas was not supposed to be subject to American laws -- because his Mexican citizenship trumps all they say.
And Mexicans can't have it both ways. Like the recent guy executed in Texas was not supposed to be subject to American laws -- because his Mexican citizenship trumps all they say.
what? Who said that? Just making up stuff out of whole cloth again?
Foreign nationals ARE under the law of the constitution. Whose law do you think you are under when you visit another country, American? Americans aren't owed anything just for being Americans nor are anyone else. That is the nature of economics. There are no special assumptions.
Every single country protects their workers. Why are we supposed to be different because Mexicans want to send their underclass here? Foreign nationals are not entitled to circumvent our laws. They're also not entitled to certain protections including the right to vote.
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Well at least your getting better. No fires in Florida can't be fought from Guatemala but Guatemalans could come to Florida to train to be fire fighters in Florida. Likewise Floridians could go to Guatemala to train to be firefighters. Global capitalism isn't a pipe dream made by elite liberals, it is an economic reality.
And why would Floridians want to allow that? Or most other Americans? Why would we want to import foreign nationals who don't speak English to come here and take American jobs? That's not rational.
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Why do you think China is a world manufacturer and not Britain? You hand waving away of economic realities does nothing to help America, protectionist and xenophobic policies only hurt America, and as a true American I believe that Americans can compete worldwide and win, and don't need the hand of the nanny state to protect their jobs.
You realize that most Chinese live in very tiny wages that border starvation? Why would Americans want to lower our standard of living to compete with the third world? Let alone allow the third world to come here?
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They pay as much or more than americans doing the same work.
And why are we supposed to put low skilled Americans out of work? We have enough poor people. We don't need to import anymore just to make college kids feel good.
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OK, I'm inviting them.
Go ahead. Increase YOUR taxes, crowd YOUR schools, degrade YOUR environment, learn sixty different languages to accommodate their need to have children they cannot support.
It shouldn't. They aren't US citizens. They should not qualify for all the welfare handouts like food stamps and Medicaid. And if they commit a crime then they should be returned home.
And Mexicans can't have it both ways. Like the recent guy executed in Texas was not supposed to be subject to American laws -- because his Mexican citizenship trumps all they say.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. Mexican nationals don't collect welfare or a lot of other things because the state bylaws have various restrictions on who can and cannot receive welfare, it even limits what American citizens can receive these things. If a Mexican national ( who isn't an ambassador) enters US territory s/he is subject to US jurisdiction, and the same applies to an American entering Mexican territory. You can't get arrested in Mexico and tell the judge you want to be tried under common law as opposed to civil law in Mexico because you are subject to their laws.
The Mexican national's sentence should have been commuted NOT because of his Mexican citizenship, but because Texas broke international law ( and a very important law), he could have been from any country and likewise you should expect the same international laws hopefully apply to you if you ever get arrested in another country.
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