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Old 07-08-2011, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Yeah but it's probably picking up from Central America.
What if those central Americans decide to stay in Mexico? According to the article and a news segment I saw yesterday, the salary gap between the U.S. and Mexico is decreasing and there are more education opportunities for the people there. The unemployment rate in Mexico is only 4.8% much less than what you find in the U.S. and Europe (Spain has 20% unemployed). The only problem now is the drug war in the northern states and border cities.
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Old 07-08-2011, 01:57 PM
 
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Again. Clueless.

The economic incentive to hire illegals is that they will work for less, and without the pesky employment law mandates of wages, benefits and recourse for employer abuse.

Legalize all illegal workers tomorrow, and they become entitled to said minimum wages, benefits, overtime, etc. Thus, creating a new vacuum and demand for illegal labor.
OK, but everyone is legal. So there wouldn't be anyone to fill it. Employers have to start employing legal workers if they want to employ anyone at all. Then, there's no such thing as "demand for illegal workers." Instead, it is "demand for workers."
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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OK, but everyone is legal. So there wouldn't be anyone to fill it. Employers have to start employing legal workers if they want to employ anyone at all. Then, there's no such thing as "demand for illegal workers." Instead, it is "demand for workers."
Why or how can there exist a situation where "everyone is legal"? Open borders proponent?

How would that benefit AMERICANS?
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Old 07-08-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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Again. Clueless.

The economic incentive to hire illegals is that they will work for less, and without the pesky employment law mandates of wages, benefits and recourse for employer abuse.

Legalize all illegal workers tomorrow, and they become entitled to said minimum wages, benefits, overtime, etc. Thus, creating a new vacuum and demand for illegal labor.





We lose acres of farmland, forests and wildlands to development each year. Water resources in many parts of the country are stretched incredibly thin. Habitat for animals disappearing as development encroaches. But oh, we have a lot of land, right? We'll just pack everyone into urban environments.

Then, once we get everyone here, we have to deal with stretched social service budgets, bankrupt schools and police districts, health services groaning under the weight of anchor babies and the uninsured... but oh, no, there's plenty for everyone! We'll just take more from people who are here legally and give to the uninvited guests, because it's more important to provide for the citizens of OTHER countries, than to provide for Americans, right?

Sorry, but I am not willing to sacrifice my standard of living, way of life, or the environment so you can be a social justice bleeding heart hippie and import the world's impoverished to live and use the resources of the country. There are few places on earth these days where conditions are so bad that at least subsistence existence is impossible. The United States cannot be the safety valve and dumping ground for the world's poor AND maintain its own social services and high standard of living.

If that's something you're into, may I suggest you open up your living room couch for use by a homeless person. I assure you, you have more than enough space, food and water in your own house or apartment to accomodate the minimal needs of at LEAST 2-3 homeless people in addition to yourself.
Excellent post!
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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Why or how can there exist a situation where "everyone is legal"? Open borders proponent?

How would that benefit AMERICANS?
Yes, but of course subject to a criminal background check, a health check, and I'd even be willing to hear compromises such as immigrants being ineligible to receive welfare benefits for the first couple years they are here.

It benefits Americans because we get a bunch more people to work in our economy, more people paying taxes, and we spend less money on deportation hearings. Immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. And then, yes, everyone is legal, so there would be no shadow economy. And everyone would pay their taxes and conform to business regulations.
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Mexican migration near zero | StarTribune.com

This article supports what I have seen as well. Also, I think the stereotype about Mexicans having alot of kids has outlived its usefulness, as their birthrate is now basically the same as it is for Americans.
Not true.

Their birthrate is NOT the same as for Americans.

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Analysis of data collected by Census Bureau in 2002 shows that women from the top-10 immigrant- sending countries living in the United States collectively tend to have higher fertility than women in their home countries. As a group, immigrants from these countries have 23 percent more children than women in their home countries, adding to world population growth.
Birth Rates Among Immigrants in America: Comparing Fertility in the U.S. and Home Countries | Center for Immigration Studies
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Old 07-08-2011, 03:06 PM
 
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Well, if a known white supremacist says it's true, then obviously we should listen to that guy instead of the other guy writing for the newspaper.
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Old 07-08-2011, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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That was for the year 2002, we're now in 2011. Do you have any recent figures to back up your claim? Also, I believe the article was discussing birthrate in Mexico not in u.s. Latinos.
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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There are lots of jobs. There may not be many jobs that unemployed middle managers are willing to do for the price that they'd be hired to do them, but there are lots of jobs. Jobs can be created out of thin air when one person wants to do a job for another person at a price the two of them agree is fair.
Is that the theme from The Twlight Zone I hear in the background?

Try "creating" a job for whi9ch you will work at for $10.00 p/h. Someone else comes along and says that they will do it for $7.00 p/h. How long do you think that you will be paid the amount you agreed on or even continue to be employed?
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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What is the system for immigrants to "achieve citizenship",


You claim that you and your family are in the process or have accomplished this very act. And you still need someone to explain it to you? Something is fishy here.

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If you can't follow along well enough in the topic, you don't have to read and participate
If you can't keep the topic focused on illegal immigrants perhaps you should not participate, since you refuse to remain on topic. TOS you know.
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