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Old 07-09-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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There’s a huge difference between a person who has broken “a” law, and one who consistently breaks laws. I don’t know too many people who have not received a parking ticket or a speeding ticket at least once during their lifetime. But, to compare them to people whose ENTIRE existence relies on the daily violation of laws is beyond absurd.

Every aspect of illegal immigration is a violation of our laws -- from their illegal presence to their illegal employment, including ID theft and fraud. Illegal aliens lead lifestyles based on lawlessness. Most of us don’t.
Sounds like instead of "it's illegal" you're saying "it's really illegal"

 
Old 07-09-2011, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Sounds like instead of "it's illegal" you're saying "it's really illegal"
Do you not understand the difference between a career criminal, and a person who receives one speeding ticket during 30 years of driving? If not, further discussion is futile.
 
Old 07-09-2011, 08:22 PM
 
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There’s a huge difference between a person who has broken “a” law, and one who consistently breaks laws. I don’t know too many people who have not received a parking ticket or a speeding ticket at least once during their lifetime. But, to compare them to people whose ENTIRE existence relies on the daily violation of laws is beyond absurd.

Every aspect of illegal immigration is a violation of our laws -- from their illegal presence to their illegal employment, including ID theft and fraud. Illegal aliens lead lifestyles based on lawlessness. Most of us don’t.
Uh, except that half of those are status offenses based on the commission of the initial offense, and the rest are offenses they clearly would not commit if they were allowed to be legal. This isn't exactly what most people are picturing when they imagine a life of crime.
 
Old 07-09-2011, 08:24 PM
 
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There’s a huge difference between a person who has broken “a” law, and one who consistently breaks laws. I don’t know too many people who have not received a parking ticket or a speeding ticket at least once during their lifetime. But, to compare them to people whose ENTIRE existence relies on the daily violation of laws is beyond absurd.

Every aspect of illegal immigration is a violation of our laws -- from their illegal presence to their illegal employment, including ID theft and fraud. Illegal aliens lead lifestyles based on lawlessness. Most of us don’t.

Yet if they were given more easy options to enter legally, these "career criminals" would all of a sudden just be normal working legal immigrants.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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And why not?

Seriously why do the illegals have zero curiousity about their own homeland?

Many Americans do and have studied in Mexico (I myself have), there is absolutely no good reason a Mexican citizen finds that so abhorrent.
Probably because it's not his homeland if he was brought here at 17 months.

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But no way should he feel like he is entitled to something for having broken the laws, no way should he be given preference over those who always respected the laws of this country and have waited patiently.
So we should start charging 17 month olds when they break the law?
 
Old 07-10-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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So we should start charging 17 month olds when they break the law?
There's 8 year olds across the country being fined for running unlicensed lemonade stands. So I guess that answers your question
 
Old 07-10-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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There's 8 year olds across the country being fined for running unlicensed lemonade stands. So I guess that answers your question
Hmmm, you curiously changed the age from 5 to 8....

Anyway, no court in the country is going to charge a 17 month old for committing any crime, especially when he had done so not by his own accord. The guy we're talking about in this thread could probably tell you that.

As for the lemonade stands, usually operating a lemonade stand doesn't get you deported from the country, maybe a fine at worst that the kid's parents would have to pay...and more than likely it was the parents that allowed the lemonade stand, and provided all the ingredients (and probably suggested it) in the first place.

Lemonade stand laws are usually enforced by counties, and when they were enacted, they did not delineate age.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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Probably because it's not his homeland if he was brought here at 17 months.



So we should start charging 17 month olds when they break the law?
No but now that he's 18, he's an adult and certainly capable of making his own decisions regarding breaking the laws.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 01:44 PM
 
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No but now that he's 18, he's an adult and certainly capable of making his own decisions regarding breaking the laws.
So he should move to a completely unfamiliar country just for something he had no control or awareness of?
 
Old 07-10-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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So he should move to a completely unfamiliar country just for something he had no control or awareness of?
Hey - I did! And I didn't even grow up with illegal parents who came from there and taught me the language and culture. Many Americans have gone to universities in Mexico and other Spanish speaking nations and didn't have parents from those countries or relatives living there.

It simply amazes me that that these people whine and cry so much and have no curiousity whatsoever of their own homeland.

How do they know it's completely unfamiliar of a country? It's really not. Go there once and you'll see what I mean. You can even find McDonalds, Walmarts, malls, and all sorts of things just like we have here. I actually much preferred staying away from the stuff I was already familiar with and enjoyed seeing the archeological sites, museums, the Ballet Folklorico in the famous Bellas Artes and so on.
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