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Old 07-10-2011, 03:19 PM
 
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So he should move to a completely unfamiliar country just for something he had no control or awareness of?
And why shouldn't he do as his parents -- which is exactly what you're saying, why was it so easy for them to move to a completely unfamiliar country but yet the reverse is not possible?

 
Old 07-10-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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And why shouldn't he do as his parents -- which is exactly what you're saying, why was it so easy for them to move to a completely unfamiliar country but yet the reverse is not possible?
Obviously it's possible, no one's saying it's not. It's simply neither practical nor ethical to punish someone for the crimes of their parents in this sense.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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Obviously it's possible, no one's saying it's not. It's simply neither practical nor ethical to punish someone for the crimes of their parents in this sense.
Going to Mexico to live and study is not punishment.

I didn't consider it punishment when I did so and I'm not even a citizen of that place.

He could explore his native country - he could meet students in his own country who study law and can explain their legal system -- I have done that and it was a great learning experience. The college years are a great time to study abroad - but for this guy it would be just going home.

You people have to get past the notion that everyone in Mexico is living a horrendous life with no food or water to drink and no schools. It's not like that at all.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 04:29 PM
 
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Going to Mexico to live and study is not punishment.
Err, it is if it's against your will.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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Err, it is if it's against your will.
Nah man I toured a prison once, it wasn't that bad. The warden even let me play with the keys.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 05:10 PM
 
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So this is totally unrelated to the argument I just made, right?

Do you believe that deporting someone is not any form of punishment?
It is intended to be punishment. But, given our revolving door masquerading as a border, it is nothing but a joke. Have you not heard of illegals being deported 10, 15, 20 times? Some even consider it a “free” vacation.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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Glad you agree that your previous assertion that it's not a punishment was wrong. Now let's move on to how severe this punishment is.

The crime of being brought to the U.S. by your parents is worthy of deportation? Even though there is no intent, and essentially no opportunity for a child to realistically analyze the situation in full? And no real ability for 99% of children to do so?

I mean, you can't really believe that that is the case. This child has committed no crime, in reality, and under no coherent theory of culpability could he be considered guilty.
This may be true for a child. However, this guy is an adult, and adults must be held to a higher standard of culpability.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 05:14 PM
 
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It is intended to be punishment. But, given our revolving door masquerading as a border, it is nothing but a joke. Have you not heard of illegals being deported 10, 15, 20 times? Some even consider it a “free” vacation.
And since the pro-illegals choose to view this as punishment if he's deported versus reward for being here illegally and knowingly breaking the laws, they admit they want to reward people for breaking the laws.

My view is that the illegals going back home can view it however - they can see going back home as a positive thing. It's their own country after all. Or they can keep up with the lie that their country is only a hellhole -after they stop waving their Mexican flags ever so proudly or they look inconsistent.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 05:18 PM
 
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So he should move to a completely unfamiliar country just for something he had no control or awareness of?
Simply said ***** YES!
 
Old 07-10-2011, 06:21 PM
 
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And since the pro-illegals choose to view this as punishment if he's deported versus reward for being here illegally and knowingly breaking the laws, they admit they want to reward people for breaking the laws.
Well no, he isn't being rewarded for breaking the law.

This guy was brought to the US against his will. He has no more ties to Mexico than someone native born does to the foreign homeland of their parents.
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