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Old 07-09-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So the death penalty "done right" is robbing us of our right to appeal? Nothing like having a penalty that's irreversable in the case of a mistake and then rushing into it.
I dunno..20 years on death row seems a tad bit long don't you think ?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:07 AM
 
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Uh, I didn't speculate as to your ancestors. The conclusion of the study was that Latinos of today are integrating as fast or fast as immigrants from anywhere back in the day. Running the risk of you being a pure-blooded native American, or someone whose ancestors were all slaves (who didn't technically immigrate), which is unlikely, you had ancestors who immigrated here. In all probability, they didn't integrate as quickly as Latino immigrants do today.

And if you'll note from the article, Latino immigrants do learn English.
If they were learning English, you would not have to hear press one for English.

I'm sure all of us know immigrants from countries like Poland, Greece, Italy, India, Vietnam, Germany, who quickly learned English and can watch American television and listen to American radio stations. And I'm sure all of us know of Spanish speaking immigrants who have lived here for over 20 years and cannot utter a single phrase in English.

They aren't learning English because now they're being given Spanish speaking teachers, their tests are given in Spanish, they watch Spanish novelas all day long and can avoid ever learning English.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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I don't think I can recall a single case of execution of an illegal simply because he/she is an illegal. What about this murder is not a factor for you? Simply because he is a Mexican national he is innocent. Gosh, they could have used you on the Casey Anthony jury.
what?

This has to be either the most willfully ignorant post on this forum or just blantantly dishonest. Do you really think anyone is arguing that this guy is innocent, much less innocent because he's mexican?
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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what?

This has to be either the most willfully ignorant post on this forum or just blantantly dishonest. Do you really think anyone is arguing that this guy is innocent, much less innocent because he's mexican?
It seems to me that's what you're staying.

You'd probably be the first one here to condemn the state of Arizona for determining the citizenship of those it arrests, yet when it comes to your new hero Leal, it was wrong for Texas not to do so and give him a pass for being a Mexican citizen here illegally.

If this guy wanted to live here in this country, the land of plenty, then why should he not be held to the same laws as citizens are?
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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It seems to me that's what you're staying.

You'd probably be the first one here to condemn the state of Arizona for determining the citizenship of those it arrests, yet when it comes to your new hero Leal, it was wrong for Texas not to do so and give him a pass for being a Mexican citizen here illegally.

If this guy wanted to live here in this country, the land of plenty, then why should he not be held to the same laws as citizens are?
His nationality is irrelevant. Texas broke international law.
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:42 PM
 
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His nationality is irrelevant. Texas broke international law.
So are you in favor of Arizona law where the state can ascertain the citizenship of those it arrests?

Now try to be consistent.
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:48 PM
 
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Okay all you illegals - now you know Texas will break international laws. If you want to live under the laws of your own country and use your own country to protect you -- then go home.

No one is holding you here, no one is stopping you from returning to your own country and it's laws. If you don't like the laws here, if you don't like the death penalty when you brutally rape and murder someone's child - then go home. Good riddance.

And guess what - the freak is dead. So now what? Texas killed him just as it should have - and what is the Mexican government going to do about it? What is some international court going to do about it? State's rights -- just like the Constitition of the USA specifies.

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Old 07-09-2011, 03:06 PM
 
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So are you in favor of Arizona law where the state can ascertain the citizenship of those it arrests?

Now try to be consistent.
I really have no clue what you are getting at. Currently under US law there are various provisions that protect a suspects identity from intrusion from the State. If one wishes to declare their nationality then they can do that.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:08 PM
 
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Okay all you illegals - now you know Texas will break international laws. If you want to live under the laws of your own country and use your own country to protect you -- then go home.

No one is holding you here, no one is stopping you from returning to your own country and it's laws. If you don't like the laws here, if you don't like the death penalty when you brutally rape and murder someone's child - then go home. Good riddance.

And guess what - the freak is dead. So now what? Texas killed him just as it should have - and what is the Mexican government going to do about it? What is some international court going to do about it? State's rights -- just like the Constitition of the USA specifies.
You should probably rethink the implications of declaring Texas free from all international law.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:13 PM
 
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I really have no clue what you are getting at. Currently under US law there are various provisions that protect a suspects identity from intrusion from the State. If one wishes to declare their nationality then they can do that.
And did this Leal guy do that?

Texas didn't have to force him into turning to his Mexican government to shield him either. It was up to him to contact his government's consulate.
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