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Unread 07-10-2011, 12:48 PM
 
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Well, illegal aliens are now advertising their illegal status with impunity.
Some tiny minority of them are, sure. They can peacefully protest however they would like.

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Groups of illegals have even brazenly disclosed their names in front of ICE headquarters, daring to be arrested. So, obviously, they have no fear of our laws being enforced.
Or a couple of them are willing to risk deportation to make political statements.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Some tiny minority of them are, sure. They can peacefully protest however they would like.



Or a couple of them are willing to risk deportation to make political statements.
It is not a small minority of illegals. Our lax enforcement and the pandering by politicians, has emboldened illegals. They now feel they have a right to be here.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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It is not a small minority of illegals. Our lax enforcement and the pandering by politicians, has emboldened illegals. They now feel they have a right to be here.
More broad brush strokes, what a surprise. Cool story. If they believe they have a right to be here, that's fine. I think they should be granted the rights of citizenship, too. You act as if their sense of entitlement to something is truly horrendous, and yet just about every "anti-illegal" here goes on and on about the protectionism they favor for American laborers.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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More broad brush strokes, what a surprise. Cool story. If they believe they have a right to be here, that's fine. I think they should be granted the rights of citizenship, too. You act as if their sense of entitlement to something is truly horrendous, and yet just about every "anti-illegal" here goes on and on about the protectionism they favor for American laborers.
What have they done to earn the right to remain in this country? Furthermore, it is the height of arrogance to live in a country illegally, and DEMAND anything. So, yes, their delusional sense of entitlement is repulsive.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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What have they done to earn the right to remain in this country?
What has someone who was born here done to earn that right? Get super lucky?
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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What has someone who was born here done to earn that right? Get super lucky?
Not this nonsense again. Obviously, you cannot explain why illegal aliens deserve legalization. Thatís not surprising.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:31 PM
 
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Not this nonsense again. Obviously, you cannot explain why illegal aliens deserve legalization. Thatís not surprising.
I've made my stance on this pretty clear. I don't think anyone "deserves" legal status, it's something the government should grant when there are good reasons to do so.

But just for sport, let's pretend I was trying to establish who "deserves" legal status here. Two people, and I only know one fact about each.

1. Born in America
2. Invested money and effort to travel to America

Obviously if this was some kind of merit-based system, I'd side with number 2 in a vacuum.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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I've made my stance on this pretty clear. I don't think anyone "deserves" legal status, it's something the government should grant when there are good reasons to do so.

But just for sport, let's pretend I was trying to establish who "deserves" legal status here. Two people, and I only know one fact about each.

1. Born in America
2. Invested money and effort to travel to America

Obviously if this was some kind of merit-based system, I'd side with number 2 in a vacuum.
So, the U.S. Constitution is irrelevant? Sorry, but those born in this country have rights and privileges not afforded non-citizens. Furthermore, it is not your decision to determine the worth of a U.S. citizen.
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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So, the U.S. Constitution is irrelevant? Sorry, but those born in this country have rights and privileges not afforded non-citizens. Furthermore, it is not your decision to determine the worth of a U.S. citizen.
We're not talking about the Constitution here, we're talking about "deserves."
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Unread 07-10-2011, 01:50 PM
 
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We're not talking about the Constitution here, we're talking about "deserves."
Sorry, but the U.S. Constitution has already determined who deserves to be a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, albeit, it has been grossly misinterpreted. Again, can you explain what illegal aliens have done to deserve legalization? I have to run, but look forward to later reading your reply.

By the way, can we resume discussion on the topic? Or, will this be yet another closed thread?
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