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Old 07-10-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Sorry, but the U.S. Constitution has already determined who deserves to be a U.S. citizen by virtue of birth, albeit, it has been grossly misinterpreted. Again, can you explain what illegal aliens have done to deserve legalization? I have to run, but look forward to later reading your reply.

By the way, can we resume discussion on the topic? Or, will this be yet another closed thread?
Find me a thread here that isn't of topic, seriously.

The Constitution hasn't settled the issue of who deserves what, believe it or not. But hide behind it so you don't have to properly reply. Sure.
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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Anyone would have the same outrage if your child had just died
um .. if my child did what that "illegal alien" did to that 16 year old girl, I'd hunt him down myself and save the state a few bucks in the process ..
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Old 07-10-2011, 09:13 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Texas doesn't parole people convicted of capital murder after only 13 years, sorry.

We also now have a life without parole option in sentencing for capital crimes and since it took effect, the number of death sentences handed out has dropped considerably. Previously, I believe the "life" sentences handed out had parole eligibility after 40 years.
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Old 07-10-2011, 10:44 PM
 
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Texas doesn't parole people convicted of capital murder after only 13 years, sorry.

We also now have a life without parole option in sentencing for capital crimes and since it took effect, the number of death sentences handed out has dropped considerably. Previously, I believe the "life" sentences handed out had parole eligibility after 40 years.
Life without the opportunity for parole has existed in this country for a long time. For example:

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Wells was convicted of murder in 1851, and sentenced to be hanged. On the day of his execution, President Millard Fillmore gave him a conditional pardon, and commuted his sentence to "imprisonment for life in the penitentiary at Washington." Wells appealed the conditionality of his pardon. The sentence was upheld, with no discussion by the majority of the purpose of the substituted punishment.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...without_parole
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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Life without the opportunity for parole has existed in this country for a long time. For example:



https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...without_parole
That's state by state. There are state's rights and people can choose not to live in Texas if they don't like Texas laws.

The USA does not have the death penalty, under the US Constitution, the USA government is limited in power.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:41 AM
 
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That's state by state. There are state's rights and people can choose not to live in Texas if they don't like Texas laws.

The USA does not have the death penalty, under the US Constitution, the USA government is limited in power.
Would you feel similarly about a state flexing its rights to ignore immigration?
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:59 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Would you feel similarly about a state flexing its rights to ignore immigration?
Gee,you think the two are the same thing? Explains an awful lot about your posts.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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Gee,you think the two are the same thing? Explains an awful lot about your posts.
They are the same in some ways, of course. In my experience, whenever there is a state-level policy being debated, and a state comes out on the side of one debater, they tend to just say "well this is a states rights issue" rather than addressing the broader point.
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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The USA does not have the death penalty
Of course it does.

Capital punishment by the United States federal government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 07-11-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Italy
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He wasn't executed because he was an illegal Mexican immigrant. He was executed because the evidence overwhelmingly showed that he raped and tortured a 16 year old girl and then bashed her brains in with a chunk of asphalt. That's the main point that we should be getting across when we discuss about who's at fault in this. His parents should be proud for defending such a person...
Depending on the context, what he did would not necessarily be considered bad. In war, you can get an award for committing the same atrocities.



Peace,
brian
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