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Old 07-11-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The military rewards those soldiers who succeed in killing those whom they are told to kill. Civilian "casualties" are "common." The means used to achieve this end are (of course) not mentioned.



Peace,
brian
Its off topic but i will respond..
No they are not rewarded for killing civilians or unintended targets.
They are not rewarded for raping the enemy before killing them even if the enemy is a uniformed soldier.
They are also not rewarded for desecrating a corps.
Please feel free to show me a link that indicates or proves your claim.
I served and I saw combat. I saw no one rewarded for rape and murder. These are serious offences that will get you prison time even if your victim is the enemy.
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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Viva lethal injecton!
To bad they changed from the old way...I heard he always wanted to be a conductor
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:10 AM
 
Location: Italy
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Its off topic but i will respond..
No they are not rewarded for killing civilians or unintended targets.
They are not rewarded for raping the enemy before killing them even if the enemy is a uniformed soldier.
They are also not rewarded for desecrating a corps.
Please feel free to show me a link that indicates or proves your claim.
I served and I saw combat. I saw no one rewarded for rape and murder. These are serious offences that will get you prison time even if your victim is the enemy.
It took me less than 2 minutes to find a link for you:

My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War. While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only William Calley was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest."


3.5 years house arrest for ONE soldier.


Now it's your turn: why are mexicans given the death penalty for crimes that American soldiers commit without any punishment whatsoever??




Peace,
brian
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:48 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by ahigherway View Post
It took me less than 2 minutes to find a link for you:

My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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"All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War. While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only William Calley was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest."


3.5 years house arrest for ONE soldier.


Now it's your turn: why are mexicans given the death penalty for crimes that American soldiers commit without any punishment whatsoever??




Peace,
brian
Anything newer than 50 years ago?
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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We were not discussing legal rights, we were discussing who "deserves" what. My point was only that insofar as no immigrant "deserves" to be a citizen, neither does any random citizen who was born here. Thus, the whole issue of who "deserves" what should be ignored.
I’m not sure why you have made this an issue of who “deserves” citizenship, other than an attempt to obfuscate, for lack of a cogent response. Why not simply answer my question?

For the record, non-citizens are not guaranteed U.S. citizenship, they must earn it. You said you’re attending law school. Didn’t you have to do something to “earn” this opportunity, i.e., through the successful completion of requisite undergrad courses, maintain a certain GPA, and pass an entrance exam? Or, can anyone with the desire to attend law school, simply enroll, and . . . voila!

So, I ask again, what have illegal aliens done to “earn” the right to remain in this country, and be offered a path to citizenship?


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I believe the reason many people are getting bent out of shape over this is not because of the punishment, it's because apparently the defendant was not afforded consul he was legally entitled to according to international law.
Regarding the “rights” of this cold-blooded rapist/murderer, he received legal counsel at taxpayers’ expense, as well as a trial. It’s hilarious that pro-illegals advocate for illegal aliens to be treated the same as U.S. citizens, when they can benefit. But, believe they should be treated as foreign nationals when they face criminal charges. You can’t have it both ways. If he were a DREAMie, you would be saying he is as much an “American” as citizens.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by ahigherway View Post
It took me less than 2 minutes to find a link for you:

My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:
"All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War. While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only William Calley was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest."


3.5 years house arrest for ONE soldier.


Now it's your turn: why are mexicans given the death penalty for crimes that American soldiers commit without any punishment whatsoever??




Peace,
brian
Perhaps I missed it, but I didn’t see the part where they received medals for their participation, as you previously stated. Furthermore, how is a war crime in Vietnam even remotely related to this issue? So, are you suggesting we should not punish rapists and murderers simply because 40+ years ago, a group of U.S. soldiers were accused of committing a heinous crime? Or, are you simply grasping at straws to defend this scumbag?
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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I’m not sure why you have made this an issue of who “deserves” citizenship, other than an attempt to obfuscate, for lack of a cogent response. Why not simply answer my question?

For the record, non-citizens are not guaranteed U.S. citizenship, they must earn it. You said you’re attending law school. Didn’t you have to do something to “earn” this opportunity, i.e., through the successful completion of requisite undergrad courses, maintain a certain GPA, and pass an entrance exam? Or, can anyone with the desire to attend law school, simply enroll, and . . . voila!

So, I ask again, what have illegal aliens done to “earn” the right to remain in this country, and be offered a path to citizenship?
Like I said, there is an obvious hypocrisy here.

Your point of view is that natural born citizens do not have to earn citizenship, but immigrants do. My point was simply that by your own admission, citizenship is not necessarily something you earn. You need to explain to me why you feel they absolutely need to earn it when you and I did no such thing.


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Regarding the “rights” of this cold-blooded rapist/murderer, he received legal counsel at taxpayers’ expense, as well as a trial. It’s hilarious that pro-illegals advocate for illegal aliens to be treated the same as U.S. citizens, when they can benefit. But, believe they should be treated as foreign nationals when they face criminal charges. You can’t have it both ways. If he were a DREAMie, you would be saying he is as much an “American” as citizens.
I'm not opposed to providing a defense for the accused, regardless of their citizenship.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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More specifically, the evidence established that the night on which teenage girl was sexually assaulted and slain: (1) Garcia carried her in an intoxicated semi-conscious state into his car; (2) Garcia was the last known individual to see girl alive; (3) Garcia confessed to police and his brother that he had killed the girl, although he claimed it was an accident; (4) when the girl was placed in Garcia’s car, she was fully clothed; when her body was discovered on a dirt road not far from a party that she and Garcia both attended, it was nude with a stick protruding from her body and (5) a piece of the girl’s bloodied clothing was located at Garcia’s home. Scratches and cuts on Garcia’s face also linked him to the killing. .................... Poor 'ol Humberto........where were the bleeding hearts when the young lady was raped/murdered.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Like I said, there is an obvious hypocrisy here.

Your point of view is that natural born citizens do not have to earn citizenship, but immigrants do. My point was simply that by your own admission, citizenship is not necessarily something you earn. You need to explain to me why you feel they absolutely need to earn it when you and I did no such thing.
So in other words, you have no valid reason, just a desire to make as easy as possible for illegals here to declare their rights for their native country and this one.

Talk about hypocrisy.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by ahigherway View Post
It took me less than 2 minutes to find a link for you:

My Lai Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote:
"All of the victims were civilians and most were women, children (including babies), and elderly people. Many of the victims were raped, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The massacre took place in the hamlets of Mỹ Lai and My Khe of Sơn Mỹ village during the Vietnam War. While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at Mỹ Lai, only William Calley was convicted of killing 22 villagers. Originally given a life sentence, he served three and a half years under house arrest."


3.5 years house arrest for ONE soldier.


Now it's your turn: why are mexicans given the death penalty for crimes that American soldiers commit without any punishment whatsoever??




Peace,
brian
No you stated that the military rewards such behaviors. As in its the policy or the norm.
It is not.My Lai incident is not viewed as acceptable. You have not proven your case. You might check out article 118 of the UCMJ....
Also check article 120.
The fact that the UCMJ forbids such acts demonstrates you are wrong.
By your logic. The United states of America rewards murders and rapists simply because these things happen in our country.
Because these crimes happen during war does not mean they are rewarded nor were they an intended outcome.
Are the only people given the death penalty for such crimes in this country mexican?
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