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Old 07-08-2011, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Latinos not integrating as well as some immigrants: study | Reuters

So, sure, some immigrants integrate faster than Latinos, but Latinos are integrating as fast or faster than your ancestors did.
That's very interesting, so tell me, just who were my ancestors?
Nothing personal, but that was an extremely ignorant statement!
How do you know that I myself, am not Latino? Maybe I'm black? I could very well be Asian or of European decent? I may even be an immigrant myself!

For the record, and this is all you need to know, is that I'm NOT illegal, and I'm not pro illegal. Of course you already knew the ladder, didn't you?

You are right though, some immigrants do acclimate better than others and it's very sad that Latino''s are not integrating as well.

I honestly think the immigrants that assimilate the fastest are those that try learning our language. I applaud them!
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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That's very interesting, so tell me, just who were my ancestors?
Nothing personal, but that was an extremely ignorant statement!
How do you know that I myself, am not Latino? Maybe I'm black? I could very well be Asian or of European decent? I may even be an immigrant myself!

For the record, and this is all you need to know, is that I'm NOT illegal, and I'm not pro illegal. Of course you already knew the ladder, didn't you?

You are right though, some immigrants do acclimate better than others and it's very sad that Latino''s are not integrating as well.

I honestly think the immigrants that assimilate the fastest are those that try learning our language. I applaud them!
Off topic...
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:07 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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It is my opinion that we should not be executing anyone. We are not Gods nor should we do His job.
The person who committed the murder chose to do God's job also. It's called retribution.

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Besides, we have executed innocent people in the past and this should stop.
When the murderer confesses as Leal did, there's no doubt about guilt and no reason not to execute. Especially when capital punishment is legal in Texas.

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What is puzzling to me is that while working at the prison, I knew of many inmates that were doing time for their second rape, some murdered their victim and had a release date. Why would they give this person capital punishment?
He got capital punishment because it's legal in Texas for the crime he committed, and he admitted to the murder and rape. Other states have other rules, but you don't mess with Texas.

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Why would they not allow him to have access to consular services and did they really give him a fair trial?
He got the fairest trial. He said I AM GUILTY. Nothing more to say about that. There was no violation of any international law.


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I think those are key questions. There was a violation of international law. Don't people keep saying we are a nation of laws? Or is it only the laws you pick and choose?
The SUPREME COURT of the UNITED STATES wouldn't touch the case if that's any clue to you that there was no violation of international law. If there was, they would have intervened.

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Most importantly, this is going to sever relations related to inmate rights. What do you think will happen to many Americans that are jailed in Mexican prisons? What about those that are waiting for a hearing and claim to be innocent. Yes, I do believe there are innocent Americans in those prisons. Mexican prisons are no joke. I would be afraid for their lives.
If an inmate doesn't know by now that they forfeited their "rights" when their tails got popped for a crime and sent to jail, then this should really drive that message home for them. Except for the idiot demanding that he's allowed to watch porn. USA prisons are a walk in the park you try going to prison in Peru.

The same thing that happened to Americans in Mexican prisons 10 years ago happens today and will continue to happen, this case matters not. Mexico is not a nation of laws, it's a nation of how much money can you pay me to improve your chances of having rights when you're arrested. Nothing will change.

And furthermore, the only thing this execution should do is REQUIRE the police NATIONWIDE to ASK FOR LEGAL PAPERS and determine if the arrestee is a US citizen when they pull somebody over. Leal Garcia was in the USA since the age of 2 and likely didn't even know he was an illegal but none of that matters because he CONFESSED TO COMMITTING THE CRIME. The don't ask policy most states have is not going to fly after this.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:11 PM
 
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That's very interesting, so tell me, just who were my ancestors?
Nothing personal, but that was an extremely ignorant statement!
How do you know that I myself, am not Latino? Maybe I'm black? I could very well be Asian or of European decent? I may even be an immigrant myself!

For the record, and this is all you need to know, is that I'm NOT illegal, and I'm not pro illegal. Of course you already knew the ladder, didn't you?

You are right though, some immigrants do acclimate better than others and it's very sad that Latino''s are not integrating as well.

I honestly think the immigrants that assimilate the fastest are those that try learning our language. I applaud them!
Uh, I didn't speculate as to your ancestors. The conclusion of the study was that Latinos of today are integrating as fast or fast as immigrants from anywhere back in the day. Running the risk of you being a pure-blooded native American, or someone whose ancestors were all slaves (who didn't technically immigrate), which is unlikely, you had ancestors who immigrated here. In all probability, they didn't integrate as quickly as Latino immigrants do today.

And if you'll note from the article, Latino immigrants do learn English.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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If you ask for assimilation you also need to offer acceptance... Nobody assimilates in a hostile environment.
Thanks, that's actually a great point I'd like to make. It seems all too clear that too many of these (especially illegal) immigrants refuse to accept America as there new home. Few even bother trying to learn the language.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:12 PM
 
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Few even bother trying to learn the language.
False.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Off topic...
You're right, it was off topic when he made that ridiculous statement!
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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You're right, it was off topic when he made that ridiculous statement!
Since the subject of this thread is, according to the original poster herself, the subject of Latino integration, it's worth noting that Latinos of today are integrating, including learning English, as fast as immigrants of the past.
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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false.
Wrong!

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About a third of LAUSD's students are English-language learners. In fact, the district educates 11 percent of the nation's population of students learning English. But only 3 out of 100 of LAUSD's English learners score at the proficient level in English and math in high school.
http://www.dailynews.com/education/ci_14651648

Only 3 out of 100 because they don't get English reinforced AT HOME! They are speaking their native language AT HOME!
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Old 07-08-2011, 04:20 PM
 
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By reading most of your responses, I have no doubt this is about some vengeance.

As someone one who has experience working for corrections I can tell you that death is an easy way out for inmates. Suicide rate is very high. It is a greater torture and punishment to keep criminal alive and deprived of their liberty. Besides, its incorrect to say that it costs less to execute. Its actually the opposite. Its a very lucrative business for all involved. Especially the one administering the injection.

It is my opinion that we should not be executing anyone. We are not Gods nor should we do His job. Besides, we have executed innocent people in the past and this should stop.

What is puzzling to me is that while working at the prison, I knew of many inmates that were doing time for their second rape, some murdered their victim and had a release date. Why would they give this person capital punishment? Why would they not allow him to have access to consular services and did they really give him a fair trial? I think those are key questions. There was a violation of international law. Don't people keep saying we are a nation of laws? Or is it only the laws you pick and choose?



Most importantly, this is going to sever relations related to inmate rights. What do you think will happen to many Americans that are jailed in Mexican prisons? What about those that are waiting for a hearing and claim to be innocent. Yes, I do believe there are innocent Americans in those prisons. Mexican prisons are no joke. I would be afraid for their lives.

There are 50 other Mexicans that according to the International Court of Justice, need to be reconsidered and reviewed.

UN official: US execution of Leal broke int'l law - Yahoo! News
How could it possibly cost more to execute someone than paying for their upkeep in prison till they die naturally? You have a link to your assertions?

Yes, the rule of law did prevail. The Supreme Court ruled on this. So-called "human rights" groups questioning the Supreme Court's decison sends up a red flag on it's own. Did you bother to find out why the Supreme Court ruled as it did?

We still have to follow the laws in this country whether or not we have prisoners in a foreign country.
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