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Old 07-08-2011, 07:48 AM
 
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As evidenced by your own article, it sure wasn't much of a deterrent. Amazingly, ladder technology has made it to Mexico. Apparently even bicycle technology has made it to Mexico. If a $20 billion fence can be beaten with a $20 ladder, I'd rather scrap the fence and pocket the savings.
The point is, our borders remain porous, and illegals continue to enter with ease. Yet, we should grant amnesty to those currently in this country. Well, that would include this man and countless others who entered our country today, and will enter our country within the next several months or years. Unless we get serious, illegal immigration will continue unabated, and twenty years from now 100 million illegals will be waiting and demanding another amnesty. That is, if we still have a country.
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:53 AM
 
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The point is, our borders remain porous, and illegals continue to enter with ease. Yet, we should grant amnesty to those currently in this country. Well, that would include this man and countless others who entered our country today, and will enter our country within the next several months or years. Unless we get serious, illegal immigration will continue unabated, and twenty years from now 100 million illegals will be waiting and demanding another amnesty. That is, if we still have a country.
And I'm confused at how you think that spending massive amounts of money we don't have on a border barrier of some sort that can probably be circumvented with a cheap ladder ladder is going to change anything.

Your fears about "losing the country" are absolutely preposterous. Even if literally everyone from Mexico came up here, this would still be America.
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Old 07-08-2011, 07:57 AM
 
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And I'm confused at how you think that spending massive amounts of money we don't have on a border barrier of some sort that can probably be circumvented with a cheap ladder ladder is going to change anything.

Your fears about "losing the country" are absolutely preposterous. Even if literally everyone from Mexico came up here, this would still be America.
No, I am a proponent of militarization of our borders. And, yes, if we continue along this path, our country will indeed go bankrupt. This is an unsustainable burden for ANY country.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:09 AM
 
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No, it's not. Even the studies you cite have this being a relatively small drain, with the exception of CIS. And your assumption would rely on the flow of illegal immigrants remaining high, which we've recently been shown is not what's happening.

But clearly pouring huge amounts into walls and military security in order to solve this is the way to go.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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No, it's not. Even the studies you cite have this being a relatively small drain, with the exception of CIS. And your assumption would rely on the flow of illegal immigrants remaining high, which we've recently been shown is not what's happening.

But clearly pouring huge amounts into walls and military security in order to solve this is the way to go.
Drain is the operative word. We donít need illegals draining this country, we need them to leave. Our borders are a joke, and ultimately this country will pay dearly.

So, we should simply throw in the towel, and continue to allow millions to enter our country without inspection, and without permission? Do you not realize that this is a tremendous threat to our national security, not to mention the tax burden, and the other deleterious results of massive illegal immigration?
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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Drain is the operative word. We donít need illegals draining this country, we need them to leave. Our borders are a joke, and ultimately this country will pay dearly.

So, we should simply throw in the towel, and continue to allow millions to enter our country without inspection, and without permission? Do you not realize that this is a tremendous threat to our national security, not to mention the tax burden, and the other deleterious results of massive illegal immigration?
You're not listing the only options. The other option, instead of spending hundreds of billions on fencing and militarizing our border, is to let people in with inspection, and with permission. Then we don't need the border security, they'll all pay their taxes, and they'll all be legal.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:22 AM
 
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No, it's not. Even the studies you cite have this being a relatively small drain, with the exception of CIS. And your assumption would rely on the flow of illegal immigrants remaining high, which we've recently been shown is not what's happening.

But clearly pouring huge amounts into walls and military security in order to solve this is the way to go.
It is very high. They estimate at least 250,000 people have recently fled Juarez, guess where most headed.

Every day you see the vehicles with Mexican license plates filled with suitcases and belongings, the trucks piled high with furniture and headed north. They're pouring over the border. Yes many of course have shopping visas and cross legally but they're not living here legally.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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So much for Homeland Security....... well at least USA citizens are being groped and x-rayed at the airports, anyone can easily get over the border however.

Man Climbs Over New U.S./Mexico Border Fence; KFOX14 Has Pictures - News Story - KFOX El Paso
Maybe this fence is to show the Mexicans where the line is. Kinda like when you cut your grass and stop at the neighbors line. Where is the line? Well, if there is a fence then you know.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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You're not listing the only options. The other option, instead of spending hundreds of billions on fencing and militarizing our border, is to let people in with inspection, and with permission. Then we don't need the border security, they'll all pay their taxes, and they'll all be legal.
We already let them in with inspection and permission. Don't forget that most legal immigrants come from Mexico, we simply cannot take in all their impoverished classes like we now are doing.

The problem is, when they come in with permission, many head right on over to a free hospital to give birth and then down to the welfare office to get their food stamps and government housing.
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Old 07-08-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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It is very high. They estimate at least 250,000 people have recently fled Juarez, guess where most headed.

Every day you see the vehicles with Mexican license plates filled with suitcases and belongings, the trucks piled high with furniture and headed north. They're pouring over the border. Yes many of course have shopping visas and cross legally but they're not living here legally.
Who estimated this? The thread in this forum shows that immigration currently is very small, and if anything, people are going back to Mexico.
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