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Old 07-08-2011, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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With all these laws getting passed and illegals hightailing it out of Georgia, Alabama, Arizona etc.. as well as those moving from the states hardest hit by this economic maelstrom we're still in; where are they going?

You might guess California because many illegals have family members there who could take them in until things get better, but with Cali's problems, I don't see that lasting very long. The Northeast is probably 3rd only to Texas and the Western midwest in term of economic health and living in NJ, I'm not seeing less of them, but I'm certainly not seeing anysort of huge influx.

So that leaves Texas and the Western Midwest and it's energy boom. Anyone in these places noticing any sort of illegal alien stampede bearing down on them these days?

That news about Mexican's coming in as a trickle is good, but how about Central America and 3.5 billion Asians?

Ooops, I also forgot about Chicagoland.
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Old 07-09-2011, 12:18 AM
 
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I've heard a lot of those leaving Arizona are going to Colorado, but other than that, I have't heard where thry're going.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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With all these laws getting passed and illegals hightailing it out of Georgia, Alabama, Arizona etc.. as well as those moving from the states hardest hit by this economic maelstrom we're still in; where are they going?

You might guess California because many illegals have family members there who could take them in until things get better, but with Cali's problems, I don't see that lasting very long. The Northeast is probably 3rd only to Texas and the Western midwest in term of economic health and living in NJ, I'm not seeing less of them, but I'm certainly not seeing anysort of huge influx.

So that leaves Texas and the Western Midwest and it's energy boom. Anyone in these places noticing any sort of illegal alien stampede bearing down on them these days?

That news about Mexican's coming in as a trickle is good, but how about Central America and 3.5 billion Asians?

Ooops, I also forgot about Chicagoland.
How would one know who's Illegal in order to determine if we're witnessing a stampede?
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:31 AM
 
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How would one know who's Illegal in order to determine if we're witnessing a stampede?
Well for one - the ability to speak English is one big clue.

The other - certain regions of the USA have had American-hispanics living in them from before these regions joined the USA and their migration pattern to other states is like that of other Americans. That is - someone gets a job transfer or other job opportunity and off they go but the whole extended family and village doesn't go with them.

When a whole village appears almost overnight complete with taco stands, paleta cart pushers, Mexican bars, it's not American citizens. That's one other way you can tell.

In other words full-fledged American citizens of hispanic ancestry aren't stampeding anywhere.
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Old 07-09-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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With all these laws getting passed and illegals hightailing it out of Georgia, Alabama, Arizona etc.. as well as those moving from the states hardest hit by this economic maelstrom we're still in; where are they going?

You might guess California because many illegals have family members there who could take them in until things get better, but with Cali's problems, I don't see that lasting very long. The Northeast is probably 3rd only to Texas and the Western midwest in term of economic health and living in NJ, I'm not seeing less of them, but I'm certainly not seeing anysort of huge influx.

So that leaves Texas and the Western Midwest and it's energy boom. Anyone in these places noticing any sort of illegal alien stampede bearing down on them these days?

That news about Mexican's coming in as a trickle is good, but how about Central America and 3.5 billion Asians?

Ooops, I also forgot about Chicagoland.
To your question - I think the answer would be found in food stamp applications.

I recently witnessed an illegal with children's birth certificates (many) in hand asking how to get food stamps in Texas. The children were all born in Arizona. Apparently their father is in Mexico now, pays no child support - maybe deported but she's obviously intent on remaining in the USA to collect her government handouts.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:10 PM
 
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To your question - I think the answer would be found in food stamp applications.

I recently witnessed an illegal with children's birth certificates (many) in hand asking how to get food stamps in Texas. The children were all born in Arizona. Apparently their father is in Mexico now, pays no child support - maybe deported but she's obviously intent on remaining in the USA to collect her government handouts.
So US citizens shouldn't be eligible for government aid in your opinion? Who *should* be eligible for it? You don't seem very keen on the idea of eliminating it completely so I'm wondering who you think these programs exist for?
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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So US citizens shouldn't be eligible for government aid in your opinion? Who *should* be eligible for it? You don't seem very keen on the idea of eliminating it completely so I'm wondering who you think these programs exist for?
Sure - if the illegal walking into the welfare office to claim her food stamp prizes is deported, and doesn't choose to take her children home with her when she goes, let the children have their American food stamps - picked up by the foster parent who ends up raising these kids.
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Old 07-09-2011, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Well for one - the ability to speak English is one big clue.

The other - certain regions of the USA have had American-hispanics living in them from before these regions joined the USA and their migration pattern to other states is like that of other Americans. That is - someone gets a job transfer or other job opportunity and off they go but the whole extended family and village doesn't go with them.

When a whole village appears almost overnight complete with taco stands, paleta cart pushers, Mexican bars, it's not American citizens. That's one other way you can tell.

In other words full-fledged American citizens of hispanic ancestry aren't stampeding anywhere.
Not exactly, my mother is a legal resident and she barely speaks English; she'd be fine at a store or restaurant, but trying to have a conversation with her will be difficult. She had to work when my father brought her over so she never had the opportunity to learn it well. Now that she's older she finds it more difficult to learn. She says she feels embarrassed as she's meet illegals who can speak English while she cannot even though she's here legally.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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Not exactly, my mother is a legal resident and she barely speaks English; she'd be fine at a store or restaurant, but trying to have a conversation with her will be difficult. She had to work when my father brought her over so she never had the opportunity to learn it well. Now that she's older she finds it more difficult to learn. She says she feels embarrassed as she's meet illegals who can speak English while she cannot even though she's here legally.
How did your mother work here without knowing how to speak English? If someone really wants to learn it they can. I certainly would rather take a class in English other than being embarrassed and isolated.

I do however know many older Hispanic Americans who never bothered to learn English because they didn't really want to. It may be more difficult but you have to have the desire to do so first.
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Old 07-09-2011, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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How would one know who's Illegal in order to determine if we're witnessing a stampede?
Check with Cyanna. She said she has a “pretty damn close” to foolproof method for determining illegal status.
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