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Old 07-10-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad View Post
Since I've been here the number tossed around has gone from 12-20 to 12-30 and now 30 PLUS million. Impressive.

And naturally the outcome would've been better if more of them were granted residency.
Sure because all we need to do is reward those who made the CHOICE to bypass all immigration laws. Screw the folks waiting in line like they are supposed to.

While we're at it, let's reward those who rob banks because they just wanted more money so they could have a better life.

And car thieves because they just wanted a better car.

Let's make it all even. They also had a "good" reason for doing what they did. Who are you to judge their motives!

What would you tell someone who has been waiting to come and live here legally for years? That they would be better off crossing the border illegally? What do you tell the folks who have spent thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers? On getting green cards for their spouses? Or whatever it is that they need to live here legally?

Oh yeah...they don't matter.

PS: and how would amnesty solve our problems? Remember the 80's? Yeah! That was very helpful wasn't it?

These people keep coming here illegally in hopes that they will eventually be given legal status. It happened once. It might happen twice, right? Wrong.

Time to end the nonsense.

 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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When did they start limiting legal entries based on what the illegals are doing?
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:09 PM
 
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Sure because all we need to do is reward those who made the CHOICE to bypass all immigration laws. Screw the folks waiting in line like they are supposed to.

While we're at it, let's reward those who rob banks because they just wanted more money so they could have a better life.

And car thieves because they just wanted a better car.

Let's make it all even. They also had a "good" reason for doing what they did. Who are you to judge their motives!

What would you tell someone who has been waiting to come and live here legally for years? That they would be better off crossing the border illegally? What do you tell the folks who have spent thousands of dollars on immigration lawyers? On getting green cards for their spouses? Or whatever it is that they need to live here legally?

Oh yeah...they don't matter.

PS: and how would amnesty solve our problems? Remember the 80's? Yeah! That was very helpful wasn't it?

These people keep coming here in hopes that they will eventually be given legal status. It happened once. It might happen twice, right? Wrong.

Time to end the nonsense.
Obv I believe it should be easier for those waiting in line, too.

Equating bank robbery and emigrating illegally isn't really going to get you too far. I mean, yes, they're both against the law. That's basically the only thing they have in common.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:11 PM
 
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Yeah, so you are saying if tomorrow a Canadian company called and offered you and your husband at least 2.5x the wages you were making just to move there by getting a temp visa you would rather stick it out here right? Then instead of just working until you got deported after your temp visa ran out you would just move back here where you didn't have jobs and would tough it out to show your American pride right?
But to take the job you'd have to put your kids in mortal danger, live in constant fear of the police, violate multiple laws, steal money from Canadians to afford housing and food. You would have to drive without a license or insurance to get to the job. You would have to come to a country where people despise you because you are a criminal and do not speak their language. At every turn life would be difficult because you have willfully broken that country's fundamental laws and ignored the expressed wishes of the Canadian people.

Meanwhile you're leaving a country where you speak the language and can help yourself if you just stay in school, refrain from having children you cannot afford and have access to paid national health insurance. You're also leaving a country where the unemployment rate is half of what it is in your own country.

The father in the OP is a creep. He has only himself to blame for what happened to his daughter. It is unfair of him to ask struggling strangers in another land to provide for his family when he refuses to do so himself.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Obv I believe it should be easier for those waiting in line, too.
Why?

When too many Americans are out of work and our legal immigration rates are already absurdly high, and we can no longer maintain all the Medicaid, food stamp and WIC programs and are talking about cutting our own elderly off social security plans they paid into all their lives, exactly why should it be so easy for people to come here simply because they choose to have children they can never feed?

Do you think this guy was paying into a family health insurance plan or do you think he intended to dump the health care costs of his brood onto the American taxpayer? That's what most do.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:14 PM
 
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But to take the job you'd have to put your kids in mortal danger, live in constant fear of the police, violate multiple laws, steal money from Canadians to afford housing and food. You would have to drive without a license or insurance to get to the job. You would have to come to a country where people despise you because you are a criminal and do not speak their language. At every turn life would be difficult because you have willfully broken that country's fundamental laws and ignored the expressed wishes of the Canadian people.

Meanwhile you're leaving a country where you speak the language and can help yourself if you just stay in school, refrain from having children you cannot afford and have access to paid national health insurance. You're also leaving a country where the unemployment rate is half of what it is in your own country.

The father in the OP is a creep. He has only himself to blame for what happened to his daughter. It is unfair of him to ask struggling strangers in another land to provide for his family when he refuses to do so himself.
What do you mean ignored the expressed wishes of the Canadian people? I am being offered a job.

All your other scary stuff still sounds safer for my family than trying to live in a place where drug cartels are randomly killing people just to make statements to the police that they can do what they want.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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Why?

When too many Americans are out of work and our legal immigration rates are already absurdly high, and we can no longer maintain all the Medicaid, food stamp and WIC programs and are talking about cutting our own elderly off social security plans they paid into all their lives, exactly why should it be so easy for people to come here simply because they choose to have children they can never feed?

Do you think this guy was paying into a family health insurance plan or do you think he intended to dump the health care costs of his brood onto the American taxpayer? That's what most do.
Exactly.

Here's another moron:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/us...th.html?ref=us

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Now, the 23-year-old — since deserted by her husband but still helped financially by his father — pays $187 a month to live in a dirt-floored shack that is part broken-down motor home, part splintered plywood shed. She bathes her five runny-nosed, half-clothed children, all under 10, with water siphoned from a neighbor’s garden hose. And she scrubs their diapers and school uniforms in the same sink where she rinses their dinner beans.

As she glanced sheepishly at her feet, Laura, who declined to give her name because of her immigration status, pointed out the family’s bathroom: a makeshift outhouse, only yards from the large scrap pile her youngest children scale like a mountain. She would return to a better life in Mexico, she said, if she were not sure her children would have a brighter future in the United States.
Laura should go home and stay home. Americans are not responsible for the care and feeding of her five children. If they are struggling she and her idiot paramour have only themselves to blame. There's no reason for her to be sick or denied medical insurance. Mexico has national health insurance and an unemployment rate half of ours. But she's not interested in staying in school or refusing to have children she cannot afford. She's interested in moving to America so she can get things from the American taxpayer. Why she expects Americans to be sympathetic to that aim baffles me.

Why should a single one of us be asked to work to support her brood?
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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What do you mean ignored the expressed wishes of the Canadian people? I am being offered a job.

All your other scary stuff still sounds safer for my family than trying to live in a place where drug cartels are randomly killing people just to make statements to the police that they can do what they want.
The employer has no right to break employment law. All of Mexico is not a hellhole. That's like saying that all of America sucks because Detroit does.

If Americans say we don't want ALL of Mexico here (and polls show this to be true) what right does someone from Mexico have to say tough and come here anyway? Conditions suck in Mexico? Well they suck here, too. Estimated unemployment rates and underemployment rates are about 1 in 5 right now. For that matter conditions suck in the entire world. Billions of people live on less than $2 a day. They can't all come here. They certainly can't all come here and demand that Americans work harder to support them.

Mexico's problems are Mexico's problems to solve. Not mine. Certainly not mine out of my own tax dollars.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:25 PM
 
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What do you mean ignored the expressed wishes of the Canadian people? I am being offered a job.

All your other scary stuff still sounds safer for my family than trying to live in a place where drug cartels are randomly killing people just to make statements to the police that they can do what they want.
Then go. Move to Canada.

Actually I have relatives that were offered a good-paying job in Canada, more than they were offered in the USA. They considered going but they thought about their kids not learning American history and not giving the Pledge of Allegience in school to the USA and watching news from the Canadian point of view and they decided that while they admire Canada as a nation and have absolutely nothing against Canada, that the USA means something to them - less money and all.

Mexico is not going to be fixed by those who simply pack up and flee it, abandon it for easy money.

If this guy didn't like the pay grades in his country, how was he helping anyone - but himself? And he didn't end up helping himself in the end anyway.

Maybe he should have decided against throwing his little daughter into fast moving water and let her live instead and he could have campaigned for higher wages in his country which would benefit more than just his own greedy self.
 
Old 07-10-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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Then go. Move to Canada.
Show me where jobs are paying 2.5x or more after factoring in cost of living and I'll ship out tomorrow even without any threats from drug cartels
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