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Old 09-19-2011, 11:19 AM
 
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Illustrative of the affinities between white supremacists and non-supremacist ethnic conspiracy theorists is the function of some non-supremacists as intermediaries between white supremacism and mainstream political activity.

For example, border militia organizer Glenn Spencer was a presenter alongside "racialist" Samuel Francis at the 2002 annual conference of American Renaissance, a white supremacist organization called a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

AR on-line store - 2002 AR Conference — Samuel Francis and Glenn Spencer (http://store.amren.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=2206 - broken link)

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Dr. Samuel T. Francis: “Immigration and National Security.” Dr. Francis indulges in the delicious pleasures of “I told you so” in discussing the perils of our mad immigration policies.

Glenn Spencer: “The Second Mexican-American War.” Spencer outlines the conflict between the United States and Mexico, with the additional bonus of playing tapes of Mexican leaders calling for the dismemberment of our country should they fail to conquer it completely. (Approximately 2 hours.)
Since the late Francis was explicit regarding his belief about his ideological defense of the "white race," i.e. white nationalism, he would be unsuitable for participation in mainstream political events, but Spencer (who was present at the same white supremacist conference, but is not an explicit supremacist) is an acceptable intermediary.

Reconquista Conspiracy Theorist To Present Before The Arizona Senate Committee

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The Phoenix New Times reports that Glenn Spencer — head of the nativist American Border Patrol organization — is set to conduct a presentation on Arizona and the Mexican border.

In the past, Spencer has never hesitated to share his views on what is happening at the border. “Our country is being invaded by Mexico with hostile intentions,” wrote Spencer on his website. “We’re [talking] about la reconquista.” (Spencer was referring to the conspiracy theory that Mexican immigrants want to reconquer, or take over the U.S. southwest). Maybe he will give Arizona the same advice he gave California: “Americans, especially white Americans, should get out of California.” Spencer is also closely tied to Shawna Forde — the Minuteman vigilante who was recently found guilty of storming a Latino family’s home and killing a nine-year-old girl and her father. In fact, Forde fled to Spencer’s ranch after the murder and was arrested as she was leaving the property.
A similar example is the trail that leads from Arizona governor Jan Brewer to state senator Russell Pearce, sponsor of Senate Bill 1070, which introduced more authoritarian measures for detaining persons suspected to be illegal immigrants, to J.T. Ready, a fascist active in the neo-Nazi movement.







A direct link between Brewer and Ready would likely be a political death blow to the governor, but Pearce functions as an intermediary in the same way.

 
Old 09-19-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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The newspaper article says that SSNs are made up out of thin air... so... yes, illegals who work for "mainstream" large companies do use forged SSNs.

But what's more significant is that employers are clearly accepting illegal work but have mechanisms to "deny" that they hire illegals, and employers aren't being convicted.
No, employers are being convicted when it is proven that they "knowingly" hired illegal aliens. There have been many cases of that. But illegal aliens can produce some pretty authentic looking "fake" documents which includes a SS that doesn't belong to them an employer can be fooled especially if they aren't using e-verify. Of course some employers do "knowlingly" hire illegal aliens also. That is one of the reasons to make e-verify mandatory in every workplace then the employers will have no excuse to say they didn't know.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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Social Security is not the topic of the thread.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Illustrative of the affinities between white supremacists and non-supremacist ethnic conspiracy theorists is the function of some non-supremacists as intermediaries between white supremacism and mainstream political activity.

For example, border militia organizer Glenn Spencer was a presenter alongside "racialist" Samuel Francis at the 2002 annual conference of American Renaissance, a white supremacist organization called a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.

AR on-line store - 2002 AR Conference — Samuel Francis and Glenn Spencer (http://store.amren.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=2206 - broken link)



Since the late Francis was explicit regarding his belief about his ideological defense of the "white race," i.e. white nationalism, he would be unsuitable for participation in mainstream political events, but Spencer (who was present at the same white supremacist conference, but is not an explicit supremacist) is an acceptable intermediary.

Reconquista Conspiracy Theorist To Present Before The Arizona Senate Committee



A similar example is the trail that leads from Arizona governor Jan Brewer to state senator Russell Pearce, sponsor of Senate Bill 1070, which introduced more authoritarian measures for detaining persons suspected to be illegal immigrants, to J.T. Ready, a fascist active in the neo-Nazi movement.







A direct link between Brewer and Ready would likely be a political death blow to the governor, but Pearce functions as an intermediary in the same way.
Thats not true.

What is your view on the border. Do you think illegals should be sent back?
Do you think its fair for Legal immigrants that often spend years in the legal process?

You have target a group if one group is doing majority of the illegal activity don't you?
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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Thats not true.

What is your view on the border. Do you think illegals should be sent back?
Do you think its fair for Legal immigrants that often spend years in the legal process?

You have target a group if one group is doing majority of the illegal activity don't you?
We all know that most anti-illegal Americans are not racists but unless the pro-illegals point out the few who are or may be they have nothing left to support their anti-laws and own ethnocentric agenda. In fact the ethnocentric kind are promoting their "brown" illegals from south of our border to violate our immigration laws so they can become the majority in this country so I think the "supremist" label is being put on the wrong crowd.

Also, would any country's citizens welcome a demographic change to their country via illegal immigration? How is it supremist to want to retain one's national identity and demographic makeup? I don't know of one single white person personally who wants and all white country. Those that do are among the minority in this country. Why do the pro-illegals make this about race? Answer....because it all about their race/ethnic/national group to them. How hypocritical of them!
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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We all know that most anti-illegal Americans are not racists
Oh really? You'll need to provide some sort of evidence for that claim IMO.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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What exactly is the topic of this thread? Illegal aliens are immigrants? They aren't. They're temporary squatters. Under that "logic" I could move into your backyard and state I live there. Hell I could call you selfish and greedy that you won't continue to pay the property taxes so I can continue to live there.

That people who oppose illegal aliens do so because they are racist? Well some are racists. So are the members of La Raza. Shall I pull up the nonsense many of their leaders have written?

Threads like this one are exactly why it is impossible to have a conversation on this topic with some people. They can't defend importing low skilled non-English speakers here economically.

So they resort to ad hominem attacks and guilt by association tactics. It's the only "defense" they have.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:49 PM
 
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Oh really? You'll need to provide some sort of evidence for that claim IMO.
You first. You have been running around this forum essentially making one argument and one argument on this issue only: that anyone who is anti-illegal alien is a racist. You have no other real argument.

 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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You first.

Why would I need to provide evidence for a claim I didn't make? Chicagonut can do her own homework I'm sure.
 
Old 09-19-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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What exactly is the topic of this thread? Illegal aliens are immigrants? They aren't.
That is not the topic, of course, but you still manage to be wrong. Illegal immigrants are - and I know this might be shocking - a kind of immigrant.
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