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Old 10-05-2011, 12:43 AM
 
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Yeah, well these bi-lingual courses are costing the taxpayers money. Stats show that English emersion is the way to go anyway not coddling these non-English speakers in their native language.
You're going to need to cite that.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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Some? It's pretty well known that teaching bi ( or more) lingual education at a very early age has enormous benefits to brain development, cognitive abilities, and linguistic achievement.
English immersion is what works the best.
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Old 10-05-2011, 07:48 AM
 
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You're going to need to cite that.
I already did under another post in here.
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Old 10-05-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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Some? It's pretty well known that teaching bi ( or more) lingual education at a very early age has enormous benefits to brain development, cognitive abilities, and linguistic achievement.
Bilingual is good but in the school it legally segregates students.
Bilingual students also fall behind much often than regular students in the same age group.

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Old 10-06-2011, 07:35 PM
 
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Imagine That 2080,

Aztlan used to be the United States, until 2055. Mexico always was a problem, they sided with Hitler during WWII and always using the American taxpayers. In the 1990’s the people felt that the aliens were hard workers and only wanted to help their family, they were given amnesty and finally in 2011, they were given the Dream Act. The politicians could see it coming and bowed to the Latinos. They lived the good life for a few years, but they finally lost their country.

How many countries let people give birth and then the off-spring become citizens? Too bad many black people supported them. Many blacks are now murdered every year. They even sued a state: Arizona, because Arizona did not what “CHANGE”. It stared with Reagan and steadily got worse, with Bush and finally Obama and his staff sealed the deal.


Aztlan, 50,000,000 ( Mexican-Aericans and illegals) in 2010 and they tripled every 20 years to 300,000,000 in 2050. Democracy is great, now they are socialist, where 50% are unemployed and the great colleges are in ruins. Along with pension and corruption , the USA became Aztlan. Now in 2080 they are 500,000,000 Latinos and a population of 600,000,000.


By sheer numbers they made Spanish the language, controlled the country and changed the name and culture. Now what was America, has no bases, industry or freedom. Aztlan is dirty, third-world, corrupt, unsafe and racist. They added Mexico to Aztlan and closed their border. Now there is no tourism and those who had money are gone or behind walls in their own cities. Drugs are cheaper and graffiti is the norm, and the gangs and police work together to rule the country.
Maybe 40 years ago, not today. Mexican women DONT have big familys tioday. Like 2 or 3 kids, back in the day it was 5 or more.
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Old 10-06-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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Bilingual is good but in the school it legally segregates students
Sigh. A true civil rights leader, huh? Come on, I understand your deep abiding desire for the well being of spanish speaking people, but they aren't recieving a K -12 education seperated from other students due to skin color, economic status etc. They are being "segregated" because they require learning an extra skill. The current trend in ESL education is to push English acquisition as fast as possible and integration into the normal K-12 student body.


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Bilingual students also fall behind much often than regular students in the same age group.
Bi lingual students or ESL students? Bi lingual student excel more so than average to the average student, ESL students are usually behind the average student, for obvious reasons.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Sigh. A true civil rights leader, huh? Come on, I understand your deep abiding desire for the well being of spanish speaking people, but they aren't recieving a K -12 education seperated from other students due to skin color, economic status etc. They are being "segregated" because they require learning an extra skill. The current trend in ESL education is to push English acquisition as fast as possible and integration into the normal K-12 student body.


Bi lingual students or ESL students? Bi lingual student excel more so than average to the average student, ESL students are usually behind the average student, for obvious reasons.
There has been a lot of debate about that. Hispanics in the 60's rode on the MLK civil rights movement to push through bilingual studies which has never been set in law since the founding of this country.

Name native English speakers in bilingual classes or schools?
You won't find 1.

Bilingual studies legally segregates students from the country's main stream.
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Old 10-07-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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Some? It's pretty well known that teaching bi ( or more) lingual education at a very early age has enormous benefits to brain development, cognitive abilities, and linguistic achievement.
Yes as individuals its great, but not for a country.

It divides a country.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:21 PM
 
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There has been a lot of debate about that. Hispanics in the 60's rode on the MLK civil rights movement to push through bilingual studies which has never been set in law since the founding of this country.
I can't believe you would be that ignorant not to know about contribution that hispanics played in the Civil Rights movement, and holy crap are you saying that bi lingual studies have to be "founded in law". Education is generally a state issue and states have passed various statutes and laws regarding it. Free market ideas, states are incubators for ideas and all that. That much should be ooobbbbvviouss.. but yea bi lingual education is a bureaucratic mandate pushed on us from above

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Name native English speakers in bilingual classes or schools?
You won't find 1.

Bilingual studies legally segregates students from the country's main stream.
Really? There isn't 1 native speaker in a bi lingual class or school? I understand that someone may have the perception that English was given by God and the whole world should speak it, but there are actual people who enjoy having their children learn other languages and push the limits. Students do take bi lingual and language immersive classes because you know there are other languages other than English. I mean it took literally 5 seconds to find a language immersion school for kindergarteners

The Magellan International School - English, Spanish, and Mandarin Immersion School in Austin, Texas | An Independent and Private Preschool, PreK, Kindergarten, and Elementary featuring a bilingual and language immersion program
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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Yes as individuals its great, but not for a country.

It divides a country.
Divides a country? Well yes, if people have historic and geographic ties to a language. Belgium for instance. But there is, like, almost zero evidence that this is happening in the US. Studies have shown that within three generations that 97% foreign language speaking immigrants learn English and even more so forget their old language should be enough to put to rest the idea of "dividing" the country. But OMG 3% of foreign language speakers still speak another foreign language! Revolution is on the horizon!!!!
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