What if 20 million illegals just - left the U.S. (Mexican, Spanish)
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So if a billion starving people want to move here it doesn't matter?
A billion poor people almost certainly DO want to move here. Would you prefer to make the US into a country where nobody wants to move to?
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The people in question barely earn enough to buy anything let alone a $200k house with $5k in property taxes. Low skilled migrants don't pay much in taxes. If they leave most Americans will be better off.
So you get rid of them, now you fill those jobs with _______________. Fill in that blank.
Complete dodge of the issue. It doesn't matter what they're here to do. It doesn't matter what the unemployment rate is here or other places, either. If you remove 20 million people from the housing market, the ALREADY bloated supply of housing will be instantly REALLY SUPERDUPER BLOATED. This will cause prices to crash even more. And likely even harder. And it won't be restricted to just the low-end of the housing market. It will ripple through every corner of it.
You are implying that they are/would be able to purchase the overbloated houses, when in reality the better majority of them rent, not own (those that were able to purchase are also part of the ARM crowd which is helping to fuel the foreclosure market). Their low wages and inability to obtain bank loans to purchase doesn't work with your line of reasoning at this time. If they were to leave, it would open up more housing to lower income people as rents would lower with an over abundance of empty housing. Yes, the value of a house would continue to decline (market correction), but it is very doubtful that it would "crash" (intimidating wording) more.
Complete dodge of the issue. It doesn't matter what they're here to do. It doesn't matter what the unemployment rate is here or other places, either. If you remove 20 million people from the housing market, the ALREADY bloated supply of housing will be instantly REALLY SUPERDUPER BLOATED. This will cause prices to crash even more. And likely even harder. And it won't be restricted to just the low-end of the housing market. It will ripple through every corner of it.
Weren't they supposed to just build the houses? What were they doing buying them?
Or is that what all those subprime loans were about?
A billion poor people almost certainly DO want to move here. Would you prefer to make the US into a country where nobody wants to move to?
So you get rid of them, now you fill those jobs with _______________. Fill in that blank.
I would prefer to have a country where immigration laws are enforced and Americans not asked to finance the economic dreams of all the world's poor people. I would prefer to that employers obeyed our workplace laws and hired people who meet all legal standards.
Why do you want to make this country into an overcrowded hellhole filled with employers who can simply do whatever they damned well please?
H2A visa, unlimited supply. we can bring in all the worlds poor under it, yet it is used very sparingly, why?
1. As c-nut points out every time farming is brought up, only 3% of illegals work on farms. So that is useless for the other ~97% minus any other seasonal business not in agricultural that I may be missing.
1. As c-nut points out every time farming is brought up, only 3% of illegals work on farms. So that is useless for the other ~97% minus any other seasonal business not in agricultural that I may be missing.
True, there are only about 1 million jobs in agriculture- farming and hatcheries combined. Not all these jobs are filled with illegals as illegals take up about 25% of the million agricultural jobs.
That is about 250,000 workers. And as farm land is being fast plowed under for housing projects and it's cheaper to just import the food rather than grow it here, what for all the other millions of illegals and the soon to come millions of illegal?
How can they compete with Americans for the very few jobs being created? And why should they compete with Americans for those jobs?
1. As c-nut points out every time farming is brought up, only 3% of illegals work on farms. So that is useless for the other ~97% minus any other seasonal business not in agricultural that I may be missing.
1) That 3% is of the 11M which is 330,000 in the farm sector. She points out the fact that they have migrated into other sectors such as construction, service, hospitality, etc. Areas in which they are in direct competition with Citizens and Legal Workers. If we gave all of them H2A visas we would have an over abundance of legal labor for farms, and job openings in the rest of the economy. I'm sure we can simply change the H2A vs needing to actually change all of immigration.
2) Your link states the following:
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H-2A is too cumbersome, costly and burdensome for employers.
So what would happen if the employers were to actually use it?
A billion poor people almost certainly DO want to move here. Would you prefer to make the US into a country where nobody wants to move to?
So you get rid of them, now you fill those jobs with _______________. Fill in that blank.
Unfortunately, illegal immigration IS transforming this country into a place no one will want to live. It is much easier to remove a person from a squalid barrio, than it is to remove the mindset from the person. Rather than appreciating the U.S. as a nicer environment, illegals tend to want to replicate the very conditions they escaped.
2) Your link states the following: So what would happen if the employers were to actually use it?
Did you read the next sentences?
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We have a tremendous demand for workers, but a limited supply. In order to solve this problem, we need guest-worker programs that must be:
Convenient
Efficient
Affordable
Fulfill national security requirements
Do not take jobs away from U.S. citizens
While the current H-2A program does a good job with the bottom two issues, it does not satisfy the first three requirements. As a result, supply and demand issues are putting tremendous pressure on work seeking foreigners to enter this country illegally.
I'm assuming there are issues with the time it takes getting the work visa cards causing convenience and efficiency issues as stated too.
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