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All I know is what happened to me. And I wasn't even offered the chance to accept the lower pay anyway (I would have taken it in spite of the fact that I now have student loans up my butt to pay).
I know I showed them I could more then do the job as I was told often enough that I was doing a great job and how fast I was. By the way, this job wasn't for executive Chef, it was a lesser chef catering position. In fact, I was told at the outset that there WAS a job for me at the end, but they lost a dishwasher and brought in a new one (who didn't speak english by the way) and I overheard one of the owners asking her if she could do prep as well as the dishes.
Then the last day of my externship I asked the other owner when I would be starting and she looked at me surprised and said there was no position available. Well, you can put two and two together. What happened was a classic case of the carrot and the stick. I worked my butt off for a job that either a) didn't exist in the first place (an attempt to gain as much free labor as possible out of my naive ass) or b) there WAS a position, but they decided at last minute to use the dishwasher in my job.
Whatever. It was wrong no matter how you slice it. As far as hiring illegals goes, they can very easily obtain the fake necessary documents in order to score a job. Everyone knows that.
I always thought the unemployment rate was the fault of the unemployed, not the employed.
If you have 100 million people of which 10 % are unemployed and you remove 20 million with jobs the unemployment rate would be 10/80, i.e. 12.5 % instead.
I notice there are many in this thread looking at the labor market as something completely static. What is the standard of living and unemployment rate in North Korea, Cuba and other countries with no immigration and/or closed borders?
There is no simple solution to your government's irratic behavior.
Your English is too good and you write too well. They perceive you as a threat instead of a resource. You know too much and won't be an obedient servant. It's better to hire people who don't know their rights - I am sure you do and they can tell you would get an attorney at the right time if needed while the FOB would just walk off to the next town.
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Originally Posted by Bandon
I worked my butt off for a job that either a) didn't exist in the first place (an attempt to gain as much free labor as possible out of my naive ass) or b) there WAS a position, but they decided at last minute to use the dishwasher in my job.
How do you reconcile this with the fact that our national unemployment rate is currently 9.2 percent (according to google news)?
I'd say there are *plenty* of workers out there to satisfy the damand. Once we get our unemployment rate down to....oh....2% or so, then we can look at a "guest worker" program. IMHO
20yrsinBranson
They don't care. Those unemployed are Americans and don't count.
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Most of the unemployed are educated and not looking for the same jobs. Cheap labor would create growth and more jobs in the fields they would be looking though.
Not true. Unemployment is higher among the less educated. All cheap labor will do is raise taxes on the middle class and put even more low skilled Americans out of work.
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Exactly. Americans do not want the jobs that illegals are currently employed doing.
At the wages and conditions offered. Employers should stop looking for serfs and start looking for employees. No one is guaranteed the right to employ slaves.
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Yes, I know a good number of them are the cheap babysitters, housekeepers, lawn boys for the wealthy who prefer their servants be as cheap as possible. Very likely many more illegals are doing the servant jobs for the laxy types than ever thought of picking carrots.
I think it's harder for the pro-illegals to justify why the American taxpayers must provide Medicaid and food stamps to subsidize the large servant class here.
Back when the pampered elites tried to terrorize people with that: "But who will make your beds?, Who will mow your lawn?, "Who will wash your dishes" and most Americans just looked puzzled because most Americans do all that themselves and don't understand the panic in not having servants surrounding them.
Exactly.
Most of us mow our own lawns and make our beds. We even (OMG!) clean our own houses!
The upper class simply wants servants. They don't care if the net cost of their servants increases our taxes and crowds our schools.
All I know is what happened to me. And I wasn't even offered the chance to accept the lower pay anyway (I would have taken it in spite of the fact that I now have student loans up my butt to pay).
I know I showed them I could more then do the job as I was told often enough that I was doing a great job and how fast I was. By the way, this job wasn't for executive Chef, it was a lesser chef catering position. In fact, I was told at the outset that there WAS a job for me at the end, but they lost a dishwasher and brought in a new one (who didn't speak english by the way) and I overheard one of the owners asking her if she could do prep as well as the dishes.
Then the last day of my externship I asked the other owner when I would be starting and she looked at me surprised and said there was no position available. Well, you can put two and two together. What happened was a classic case of the carrot and the stick. I worked my butt off for a job that either a) didn't exist in the first place (an attempt to gain as much free labor as possible out of my naive ass) or b) there WAS a position, but they decided at last minute to use the dishwasher in my job.
Whatever. It was wrong no matter how you slice it. As far as hiring illegals goes, they can very easily obtain the fake necessary documents in order to score a job. Everyone knows that.
So basically, you have no idea if they were legal or not but just want to blame it on illegals. BTW, I don't know any restaurant manager or owner that wouldn't pay the dishwasher to do the prep work if he had enough time. You don't need to be a chef to do prep work.
You are implying that they are/would be able to purchase the overbloated houses, when in reality the better majority of them rent, not own (those that were able to purchase are also part of the ARM crowd which is helping to fuel the foreclosure market). Their low wages and inability to obtain bank loans to purchase doesn't work with your line of reasoning at this time. If they were to leave, it would open up more housing to lower income people as rents would lower with an over abundance of empty housing. Yes, the value of a house would continue to decline (market correction), but it is very doubtful that it would "crash" (intimidating wording) more.
It doesn't matter if they buy or rent. They are still consuming housing. And if they stop consuming housing, if demand suddenly drops by twenty million people, prices ACROSS THE BOARD are going to plummet even more. They are currently living SOMEWHERE. And if they all instantly vanish, that's going to cause a huge supply glut. It would be much, much worse than what happened around 2008.
I would prefer to have a country where immigration laws are enforced and Americans not asked to finance the economic dreams of all the world's poor people. I would prefer to that employers obeyed our workplace laws and hired people who meet all legal standards.
Why do you want to make this country into an overcrowded hellhole filled with employers who can simply do whatever they damned well please?
I would prefer if we had a bunch of rainbows and every kid had a pony.
Now that we got that out of the way, would you like to answer the question? Who do you think is going to fill all those "no-skill" jobs if you magically banish all illegals?
It is much easier to remove a person from a squalid barrio, than it is to remove the mindset from the person.
But let me guess, you're not a bigot, right? I mean, this is only the most overtly bigoted sentence in this thread, but if anyone were to suggest you're a bigot, it would be the most outrageous accusation ever. Right?
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