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Old 07-15-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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No it stands. There are a good number of male illegals have done what I have said. This isnt new this is old news.
I'm not seeing how it is really any different than one would expect either, not just of illegal aliens, but of immigrants in general, missionaries, military families, or anyone else who spends large amounts of time away from their families. It doesn't change the overarching motives for large groups of immigrants, military families or traveling business execs. It's a none issue unless there is some large " ditch your family" movement that no one has heard of.
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:58 AM
 
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Some illegals do love their children and if they return or are returned home do want to take their children home with them. But also many illegals also left children behind when they came over the border to seek out the good life of easy dollars.
This "Some do love their children, but many don't" argument is absurd... I see again and again the constant depiction of illegal immigrants as having children with the sole purpose of collecting welfare and that the children are "thrown" away because "lack" of love/usefulness when the parents face deportation is a complete lie, and it has been used countless times in this forum.

Is sickening how some try to depict them as such vermin that have no ability of loving their children when in fact the main reason they came in the first place is to be able to give their families a better life.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Cool story. If you smoke pot, you should anticipate that you may get caught and sent to prison. I'd still call every one of those convictions unjust.
The only way you would find deportation "unjust" is if you don't believe in borders or immigration laws at all.

If you move into my garage without me knowing, cause no problems and simply live your life in peace until one day I find you out there and kick you out or have you arrested, you expect my sympathy?
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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If you walk around town, you have to anticipate that someday you might get mugged.

Conclusion: muggings are justified, you knew the risks!

Good try, but not quite there. Walking around on the street is not a criminal act with a known consequence if caught. Criminal acts have certain consequences. For example:

You cheat on taxes, anticipate you might be audited and might have to answer for your cheating.

You routinely steal money from your cash register while an employee at a store. ANticipate loss prevention may come around one day and catch you in the act. Whether you needed that money to feed your seven children is not going to save you from losing your job, and possibly being arrested.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:16 PM
 
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The only way you would find deportation "unjust" is if you don't believe in borders or immigration laws at all.

If you move into my garage without me knowing, cause no problems and simply live your life in peace until one day I find you out there and kick you out or have you arrested, you expect my sympathy?
What about the employment offered to the illegal immigrants, what is that in your garage scenario?
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Good try, but not quite there. Walking around on the street is not a criminal act with a known consequence if caught.
What difference does that make?
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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What about the employment offered to the illegal immigrants, what is that in your garage scenario?
Seeing as how both the illegal immigrant and the employers of illegal immigrants are two sides of the same coin, there is no correlation in the garage scenario.

The garage scenario deals with my ability and right (just as the United States has a right) to dictate who lives on premises, and who does not, based on any criteria it wants.

The squatters in my garage most likely would work in a lettuce farm, where some neo-plantation slaver pays them $2/hour whilst scareing the rest of America into thinking salad will cost $30 a plate if he was not allowed to hire his neo-slaves.

Ya know, just like how we stopped being able to afford cotton after slavery ended.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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What difference does that make?
Because the attendant sympathy given to people NOT engaging in illegal acts is much, much higher than those who DO engage in illegal acts.

In one scenario, trouble comes looking for you. In the other scenario, you sought trouble out.
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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Seeing as how both the illegal immigrant and the employers of illegal immigrants are two sides of the same coin, there is no correlation in the garage scenario.
I get that you don't want people showing up in YOUR garage. But what about mine? Is YOUR opinion of who is good enough to hang out in there more important than mine?
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:41 PM
 
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Because the attendant sympathy given to people NOT engaging in illegal acts is much, much higher than those who DO engage in illegal acts.
OK, so if the person jaywalks, THEN it's justified to mug him?

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In one scenario, trouble comes looking for you. In the other scenario, you sought trouble out.
Right. Moving somewhere to find work is "looking for trouble." OK.
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