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Old 09-20-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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But do the lowered costs in produce, maid services, restaurants, building janitorial services, etc. make up for it? Who has determined that?

And to whom? Which segments of the population?

If MOST of the country benefits from hiring low skilled illegals, then the powers at be would be glad to throw the most uneducated Americans under the bus to help the rest of the United States. And the middle and upper classes would happily back them.

If only a select FEW benefit, then anti-illegal immigration people need to demonstrate that to get the middle and upper classes behind them.
We do have a large following and there are many viable statistics to prove that only the rich and greedy employers benefit from them. The problem is getting our government to acknowledge this because they are in the back pockets of these people and really don't care that regular Americans are getting the shaft from illegal immigration. You have heard the term "fighting city hall", haven't you? Unfortunately there is more corruption in our government than morals.
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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If it keeps making you happy to shell out $$$ for their education, birth costs, translation services, healthcare, etc I suppose you can call the babies whatever you like.
You've mixed up a portion of you reply in within my post, misquoting me. By definition, an "Anchor Baby" is a U.S. citizen of any other nationality's parentage. If any "Anchor Baby" can provide such access to the programs and benefits in the United States, why does it matter which specific country their parent(s) are from?

In other words, each "Anchor Baby" gives the same capability to be equally damaging...

Shouldn't there also be an equal concern about an "Anchor Baby" of German parents, of British parents, of Russian parents, etc.?...
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:37 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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You've mixed up a portion of you reply in within my post, misquoting me. By definition, an "Anchor Baby" is a U.S. citizen of any other nationality's parentage. If any "Anchor Baby" can provide such access to the programs and benefits in the United States, why does it matter which specific country their parent(s) are from?

In other words, each "Anchor Baby" gives the same capability to be equally damaging...

Shouldn't there also be an equal concern about an "Anchor Baby" of German parents, of British parents, of Russian parents, etc.?...
There is.
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Old 09-20-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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There is.
No, we typically see a reaction only for Hispanic "Anchor Babies"...
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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You've mixed up a portion of you reply in within my post, misquoting me. By definition, an "Anchor Baby" is a U.S. citizen of any other nationality's parentage. If any "Anchor Baby" can provide such access to the programs and benefits in the United States, why does it matter which specific country their parent(s) are from?

In other words, each "Anchor Baby" gives the same capability to be equally damaging...

Shouldn't there also be an equal concern about an "Anchor Baby" of German parents, of British parents, of Russian parents, etc.?...
Where is the world did any of us ever say that we are ok with certain nationalities in our country giving birth on our soil and producing an anchor baby? You really should get off that victim mentality band wagon for Mexicans only. Such resentment and bitterness is not healthy.
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:05 PM
 
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No, we typically see a reaction only for Hispanic "Anchor Babies"...
Really? Perhaps you could prove that. Again, Mexicans are here by far in the largest numbers illegally therefore it is safe to say that they are producing the most anchors. You have read the stats that Hispanics are the fastest growing group in this country, haven't you? Sure, many of those births are from citizens also but much of that even started with illegal immigration from several decades back. I am opposed to birthright citizenship for all anchors and hope that in the future it will be a requirement that at least one parent be a citizen of this country.
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Where is the world did any of us ever say that we are ok with certain nationalities in our country giving birth on our soil and producing an anchor baby? You really should get off that victim mentality band wagon for Mexicans only. Such resentment and bitterness is not healthy.
Mmm, there has been quite a bit of comment resenting Hispanics for their population growth within this thread...
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:12 PM
 
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Mmm, there has been quite a bit of comment resenting Hispanics for their population growth within this thread...
Which represents about 1/10000000 of the US population. It is, of course, the "illegal" immigration thread which I would "guess" have a higher percentage of people against it.
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Old 09-20-2011, 05:13 PM
 
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Mmm, there has been quite a bit of comment resenting Hispanics for their population growth within this thread...
Yes, but that resentment is due to growth from illegal immigration. What part of that aren't you getting?
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Old 09-20-2011, 07:58 PM
 
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Yes, but that resentment [against Hispanics] is due to growth from illegal immigration. What part of that aren't you getting?
Huh, the article I quoted actually said the Hispanic growth was from births, not (both legal and illegal) immigration...

In fact:

"...Meanwhile, the number of new immigrants [both legal and illegal] arriving from Mexico fell by 60% between 2006 and 2010 because of declining job opportunities in the U.S., increased border enforcement and economic growth in Mexico, the report says..."

Here it is again to read: Births, not immigration, account for most of Hispanic growth in last decade – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

So none of the "resentment" is towards the "legal" areas of growth in the Hispanic population?...

I mean, because a "Mexican-American" female defined in the study (immigrating either legally or illegally from Mexico) only had 0.2 more of a kid on average than a Hispanic woman (not immigrating either legally or illegally from Mexico) of the same age, and 0.7 more compared to a white woman of the same age (for women between the age of 40 and 44, with their child-bearing years almost behind them)...

(Remember that it is the baby for at least one of the patients)...
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