Illegals Shouldn't Be Deported for Commiting Crimes (citizen, English, rating)

[TriMT7]

Originally Posted by rhymetime

So tribalism is bad... unless it's concerning YOUR tribe, then it's good. I get it. That makes a lot of sense.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. When deciding and discussing what is best for AMERICAN POLICY and the (tribe of) AMERICAN PEOPLE, then consideration of what is best for any other TRIBE is neither relevant, nor part of the equation.

Anyone who wishes to elevate the concerns of another tribe to those of the American tribe in deciding AMERICAN policy operates from a position of absurdity.

Originally Posted by rhymetime

Yes, I like this thinking. We should have a national committee that decides things like what books you should and shouldn't read, what job you should have, what foods you should be allowed to eat. Because really, let's face it, government experts would be better at making these decisions than you. Right?

No need to have a committee. We have a constitution that says you can read whatever you want.

And by the way, the government ALREADY tells you what kind of jobs you are at least able to have (employment, OSHA regulations, etc.). They also say what foods you can and cannot eat (FDA). Because let's face it, plenty of people died before the government stepped in to regulate such things.

Seriously, the thinking you guys exhibit is so one-dimensional and un-nuanced that it amazes me.

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Actually, it makes perfect sense. When deciding and discussing what is best for AMERICAN POLICY and the (tribe of) AMERICAN PEOPLE, then consideration of what is best for any other TRIBE is neither relevant, nor part of the equation.

Anyone who wishes to elevate the concerns of another tribe to those of the American tribe in deciding AMERICAN policy operates from a position of absurdity.





No need to have a committee. We have a constitution that says you can read whatever you want.

And by the way, the government ALREADY tells you what kind of jobs you are at least able to have (employment, OSHA regulations, etc.). They also say what foods you can and cannot eat (FDA). Because let's face it, plenty of people died before the government stepped in to regulate such things.

Seriously, the thinking you guys exhibit is so one-dimensional and un-nuanced that it amazes me.

I know what you mean. It is like trying to debate with a brick wall. Most of them are so blinded by ethnocentric racism, they can't see the forest for the trees. They will always put their "tribe" above the best interests of this country. I don't know how such traitors among us can look themselves in the mirror each day.

[makossa]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

I know what you mean. It is like trying to debate with a brick wall.

I second that! No debate will ever change their minds, or ours. Problem is, when we get to tell them "I told you so" it will be far too late for all of us!!

Most of them are so blinded by ethnocentric racism, they can't see the forest for the trees. They will always put their "tribe" above the best interests of this country. I don't know how such traitors among us can look themselves in the mirror each day.

Absolutely!

[rhymetime]

Originally Posted by TriMT7

Actually, it makes perfect sense. When deciding and discussing what is best for AMERICAN POLICY and the (tribe of) AMERICAN PEOPLE, then consideration of what is best for any other TRIBE is neither relevant, nor part of the equation.

Anyone who wishes to elevate the concerns of another tribe to those of the American tribe in deciding AMERICAN policy operates from a position of absurdity.

So when you said tribalism was bad, you were just joking? I do congratulate you on being so upfront about your bias and prejudice, though. A lot of other posters here are in serious denial.

The problem with your position, of course, is that it's a false dichotomy. We don't have to pick between THIS TRIBE or THAT TRIBE. We can just ignore the artificial concept altogether and just do what's right, what's just, and pursue liberty.

No need to have a committee. We have a constitution that says you can read whatever you want.

What difference does this make? Experts would still be better at determining this. They're EXPERTS, after all. I mean, that's a neat trick there taking a normative question and then answering it with a positive description of the status quo, but it doesn't really answer the question at all, it just tells us something we all already know.

And by the way, the government ALREADY tells you what kind of jobs you are at least able to have (employment, OSHA regulations, etc.). They also say what foods you can and cannot eat (FDA). Because let's face it, plenty of people died before the government stepped in to regulate such things.

ditto!

[rhymetime]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Most of them are so blinded by ethnocentric racism, they can't see the forest for the trees. They will always put their "tribe" above the best interests of this country. I don't know how such traitors among us can look themselves in the mirror each day.

This from the person who has explicitly said she's in favor of maintaining a white culture in america.

[jasper12]

Let's not cloud this issue with racism. The issue is laws, and breaking the law involves consequences. If I stole a car, I would be incarcerated, and released after the sentence was complete. That should be the same for anyone, no matter what their race or nationality. In the case of someone here from another country, they would recieve the same treatment as me, and then be sent back to their nation of origin, as appropriate, for breaking the laws of this country. Same as with most other countries, when a foreign national breaks the law, serves the sentence, and is deported.

[Joe_Ryder]

Originally Posted by rhymetime

Please explain how you get from me saying "this set of laws is unjust" to me believing "some other law that isn't in that set is unjust"

Something tells me it's simply beyond your ken.

[Joe_Ryder]

Originally Posted by VerticalReasoning

In case people didn't know Joe is talking about a metaphorical bed and metaphorical food.

No. You're mistaken. I'm sure you're used to that.

[Joe_Ryder]

Originally Posted by huddledmasses

Do you know what a straw man is? I'm pretty sure my stance since entering this forum has been to allow easier legal options for entry so that millions aren't forced to enter illegally.

Speaking of straw men, let's clear something up. I'm I'm pro-immigration reform, not pro-illegal immigrants. You make it sound like I'm cheering them on at the border with a table of water glasses or something.

Who exactly held a gun to the heads of illegals and FORCED them to enter at all?

[VerticalReasoning]

Originally Posted by Joe_Ryder

No. You're mistaken. I'm sure you're used to that.

Then there are already laws that prevent people from sleeping in your bed and eating your food if you are talking about the house you own and the food you already own.