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Old 07-17-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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Yes, until the employers are punished, they will simply bring in more illegals.

As long as they can get away with hiring illegals over American citizens or providing work visas for legal immigrants, that's what they'll do, continue hiring cheaper illegals.

If there truly are labor shortages even with the high unemployment rates, these employers have the option of providing work visas.
I am total agreement that the employers should be punished severly, however when a raid occurs an investigation of the employer has to be conducted as to whether or not the employer "knowingly" hired these illegal aliens. There are so many authentic looking fake documents floating around that it is hard to tell sometimes. That is just another reason to make e-verify mandatory in all work places.

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Old 07-17-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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So you are claiming that Arpaio only wants to be in the limelight and that he isn't a patriotic American doing his job? Nice that you can get inside people's heads to know what their motives are.
Joe lives for the spotlight, everybody out here knows this.

Again, what's your experience?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:20 AM
 
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Joe lives for the spotlight, everybody out here knows this.

Again, what's your experience?
You still didn't answer my question. Whether or not Arpaio likes the limelight are you claiming that his bottom line motive isn't to enforce our immigration laws?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:24 AM
 
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Come on. His latest executive decisions involved his plans to work a chain gang outside the all-star game in Phoenix last weekend.

Arpaio calls off chain gang at All-Star Game
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Claiming he wants the focus on Tuesday to be on children and the national pastime, Sheriff Joe Arpaio announced he was changing his plans to have chain gangs stationed outside of Chase Field before the baseball All-Star Game. "I'm not going to interfere with the ball game tomorrow," Arpaio said Monday afternoon from an appearance where he was signing pink underwear festooned with his slogan, "Let's play ball." Three separate chain gangs were originally to be posted around the stadium on Tuesday to pick up trash, with one of the three gangs consisting entirely of undocumented immigrants convicted of drunken driving.
That isn't someone driven by media attention?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Limelight, ego, newshound...who cares--they guy seems to be effective, good for him.

TB- You own a place in Cali and AZ...on a cops salary? Wow! Good for you Buddy.

EXPERIENCE: Retired Military/Fmr LEO/Barely made it on the LEO salary and had to leave for $$.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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You still didn't answer my question. Whether or not Arpaio likes the limelight are you claiming that his bottom line motive isn't to enforce our immigration laws?
No, it's not, his bottom line is winning the next election. There, I answered your question. Now answer mine.

What's your experience?
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Chain gangs, pink outfits...living in tents eating MRE's...OUTSTANDING! Go Jo Go!
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: Riverside County / Maricopa County
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Limelight, ego, newshound...who cares--they guy seems to be effective, good for him.

TB- You own a place in Cali and AZ...on a cops salary? Wow! Good for you Buddy.

EXPERIENCE: Retired Military/Fmr LEO/Barely made it on the LEO salary and had to leave for $$.
Honestly, it's not just my salary, I'm married so there is another source of income. There's no way in hell I could pull this off if I were single.
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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You still didn't answer my question. Whether or not Arpaio likes the limelight are you claiming that his bottom line motive isn't to enforce our immigration laws?
No, I don't think that is his bottom line. He engages in highly publicized immigration sweeps that every other law enforcement agency sees as an inefficient waste of manpower, with dozens of expensive deputies paraded around in front of the cameras but very little results.

I'm not saying he isn't patriotic, I have no idea, would probably assume he is. That said, dude is driven by publicity and makes operational decisions based on opportunities for publicity.

Right on his wiki page:

"Arpaio has become controversial for aggressive publicity-seeking"
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Old 07-17-2011, 07:31 AM
 
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they guy seems to be effective, good for him.
Effective? Have you followed the whole Hendershot (sp?) scandal? The tens of millions it is costing the city? His departments budget mismanagement controversies?

Where do you see this effectiveness?
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