Illegal Aliens vs Illegal Immigrants vs Undocumented

[Rockmadinejad]

Originally Posted by plwhit

Sounds like you need to contact the organizations who define immigrant and voice your opinion with them, doing it here on C-D only rates a bait post....

The reputable dictionaries I know of agree with the definition I support. The poster who quoted that definition agrees with me. That's not a bait post.

My Dad immigrated here in 1978. He's been a citizen since, I believe, the early 90s or so (no idea if that's accurate). He's not a "newcomer," but he's still an immigrant.

[Eleanora1]

I like to use the term illegals because it seems to really annoy the pro-illegal immigration supporters.

[Rockmadinejad]

I'm going to start saying undocumented heroes.

[rhymetime]

Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad

I'm going to start saying undocumented heroes.

It's true, without them the US economy would utterly implode.

[Eleanora1]

Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad

I'm going to start saying undocumented heroes.

Because breaking into another country without permission, driving without a license or insurance, working off the books and living in another country while steadfastly refusing to learn the language of that country is obviously a heroic action!



Let's all drop out of eighth grade, have three kids we can't support before we've turned 25 and ask Latin Americans everywhere to learn English and give us money to pay our bills!

[averyjamison]

Originally Posted by tinman01

Fair enough.
Like you I detest snobs and arrogant people especially when they visit another country and act as if they own it. I speak specifically of my Travels to Thailand. One can learn to hate their fellow citizens by observing their arrogance in dealing with the native peoples. Insulting them in their own country????? How low class is that but they assume a position of superiority over the Thai people. LOL asses.
In regards to those who would want to enter our country and enjoy the benefits of our nation.
How arrogant is it to believe that they deserve or have a right to enter as they wish and not by invitation or with permission. How arrogant is it to believe they are above accountability?
I dont feel superior to a mexican or south american national or any other foreigner. I dont feel that I somehow have a right to life and they dont or that they have a lesser right.
I can be envious of those born to wealthy families. But I have no right to lay claim to their fortunes or assets.
I question the argument that our immigration laws are unjust simply because they deny certain people a VISA or are written to hold violators of these laws accountable.

This is so perfectly stated. When I visit other countries, I observe their laws and customs, even down to speaking the language, when possible. Here in California practically everything is bi-lingual English-Spanish. I don't understand why illegals think they can boss us around, unless it's because our government has allowed it. If anyone has a superior attitude, it's usually our south-of-the-border neighbors.

[VerticalReasoning]

Bossing you around? There was a woman speaking Chinese at my work today, and yet I managed not to get offended nor cowed into submission like Avery.

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by Rockmadinejad

The reputable dictionaries I know of agree with the definition I support. The poster who quoted that definition agrees with me. That's not a bait post.

My Dad immigrated here in 1978. He's been a citizen since, I believe, the early 90s or so (no idea if that's accurate). He's not a "newcomer," but he's still an immigrant.

Correct. He is a naturalized citizen I believe. Congrats on his accomplishments.

[tinman01]

Originally Posted by averyjamison

This is so perfectly stated. When I visit other countries, I observe their laws and customs, even down to speaking the language, when possible. Here in California practically everything is bi-lingual English-Spanish. I don't understand why illegals think they can boss us around, unless it's because our government has allowed it. If anyone has a superior attitude, it's usually our south-of-the-border neighbors.

I dont see it as them bossing us around. I see it as more of an entitlment mentality. But why would they have this? because we as a nation indulge it.
This nation has become a nation of people who feel entitled to free handouts, free services and not my problem unless it hurts me personally.
It is small wonder that illegals and those who facilitate them would expect the nation to bend low for them.
I will say this, the average immigrant legal or illegal won't ask the question : Why do I have to do it? When assigned a task.
I also leaerned the language of my wife. For several reasons.
1. respect for my wife and her family.
2. I travel to her country every year. its only smart to know the language.
3.Respect for the country I hope to retire to.
By the way most people I have met in Thailand also speak english...