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Old 07-20-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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Have you read any news lately? The economy is already devasted and the illegals weren't deported.

In fact some think the debt ceiling has to go up even a few trillion more. It's about as devastated as it's ever been.
So it can't possibly get worse in your opinion? This is the same dumb argument that was put forth in the "what if 20 million illegals left" thread. The housing market would absolutely plummet with that much demand instantly disappearing. But people think that because the market is already "down" it somehow can't go any lower?

The laws of economics suddenly stop working once prices drop?
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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Roadside stands abound and no where is it easier to hide income than a pay by cash set up. How does the gov know exactly how many bushel of what ever vegi was harvested v.s what went to waste?
LOL. What percent of crops sold in America are sold at stands on the side of the road? A few percent at best. That's a generous estimate I'd bet considering what goes to grocery stores and factories to be canned.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:41 AM
 
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Roadside stands abound and no where is it easier to hide income than a pay by cash set up. How does the gov know exactly how many bushel of what ever vegi was harvested v.s what went to waste?
Even dairy farmers many sell whole milk on the side.
How do you think statistics on stuff like this are collected? Government agents are going around counting every ear of corn harvested. There are statistical methods that can account for stuff like this. It's not rocket science.
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Old 07-20-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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They bused them into New Orleans after Katrina and they never left.
They who?
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:27 PM
 
Location: In this horrid OBOMINATION
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We need every state to do this except California. All of the *******S and ILLEGALS can have the wasteland of California. It has already been bankrupted by the ILLEGALS anyways. Mine as well let them all move there and we can get our country back on track.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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We need every state to do this except California. All of the *******S and ILLEGALS can have the wasteland of California. It has already been bankrupted by the ILLEGALS anyways. Mine as well let them all move there and we can get our country back on track.
All of them should be deported.

No illegal should be entitled to anything. We should deport the pro illegals crowd with the illegals.
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Old 07-20-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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All of them should be deported.

No illegal should be entitled to anything. We should deport the pro illegals crowd with the illegals.
Naturally.
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:18 PM
 
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All of them should be deported.

No illegal should be entitled to anything. We should deport the pro illegals crowd with the illegals.
If only that were possible. I find the supporters of illegal aliens even more despicable than the illegal aliens themselves. At least illegals aren't citizens of our country and owe us no loyalty. Citizens advocating for them however do owe this country loyalty. I hold those traitors in contempt.
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Only in the case of my area the businesses didnt close down they adapted.
As I said only about 25% of ag jobs are filled by illegals. I dont see a collapse I see them adapting. Ga got caught with their pants down. They assumed that they could continue cheating indefinetly. Next year they will do better becase they wont be depending as heavily on the illegal work force.
The supporting industries such as the canneries etc will adapt as well.
The thin margin may be exaggerated and I have not seen conclusive proof that they pass on the savings to their consumer.
Roadside stands abound and no where is it easier to hide income than a pay by cash set up. How does the gov know exactly how many bushel of what ever vegi was harvested v.s what went to waste?
Even dairy farmers many sell whole milk on the side.
You do make valid observations.
Roadside stands account for a very very small percentage of all goods that are produced.

I'm not predicting a collapse, no one can say for sure what will happen. However, there's a reason why more and more companies have been packing up shop and moving over seas and it's not because of illegal immigrants undercutting labor prices. Agriculture is somewhat insulated because of niche markets where consumers are willing to pay higher prices for stuff like locally grown organic produce, but this still represents a very small percentage of agricultural production, like <10% I believe. If 50% of ag production shifts out of the country, those support industries will not simply be able to adapt and move on. There will be a large contraction i.e. more people laid off, less taxes being collected, more people on social programs.
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Old 07-20-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Pa
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You do know that this was already tried. See protectionism, mercantilism, Smoot-Hawley Tariff, and various other economic policies.
Its bad for us to hold our partners to the same standards to which they hold us? I tend to believe that the reason we always seem to end up on the short end of these deals is the fact that our politicians sell us out to the highest bidder.
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