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Old 07-22-2011, 01:53 AM
 
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Agricultural Workers, Other

From the government's Occupational Outlook 2008:

Agricultural workers held about 821,700 jobs in 2008. About one third was employed in animal production; some found employment in support activities for agriculture and forestry.

Overall employment is expected to show little or no change in employment. Fewer agricultural workers will be needed overall because of continued consolidation of farms and technological advancements in farm equipment that is raising output per farm worker. The agriculture industry also is expected to face increased competition from foreign countries and rising imports, particularly from Central America and China because of trade agreements with those regions. Nursery and greenhouse workers might experience some job growth in this period, if the demand for landscaping plants resumes its growth pattern.
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Old 07-22-2011, 01:57 AM
 
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This ^^^^^

I'm gonna ask anyways

Why do you defend the illegal alien?
Because if someone wants to contract with someone else to do a job they don't need someone else to step in with a gun and tell them they can only contract with the people they agree with.

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Is it your belief that they are not breaking the law?
In the literal sense they are breaking the law, but a law needs some rational behind it. Currently it is illegal to carry a waffle cone in your back pocket on a Sunday in Georgia and it is illegal to have more than 6 dildos at a time in Texas? So why not the outcry at the person who has 7 dildos or has a waffle cone in his back pocket on a hot Georgia day? Because on some level we recognize that these laws aren't really harming another person. The current immigration laws are inefficient, harmful to the American economy, and harmful to people who want to contract with other people without the months or years long headache of getting approval of a government bureaucrat for someone to mow their lawn.
Would you give your extra food to a starving illegal alien or your starving
neighbor? You can only choose one.

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Is it your belief that anti illegal immigration people are simply racist because they do not want "brown people" here illegally lolz
No, I think there are a myriad of reasons why someone wouldn't want immigration, most of them having to do with economic reasons. People not wanting competition for their jobs ( How dare someone come in and offer to do my job for less!) or don't want social services ( which usually they don't want to pay anyways) go to people who they feel don't deserve it ( what makes them deserve it or not I have no idea). I think this dovetails nicely into racial or nationalistic populism where people clamor for their jobs to be safe and protected, their "way of life" protected" and their views of things enforced. The negative aspect of this is a biological essecialism of "the other" which leads to dehumanizing ( immigrants are leaches and know nothing but breaking the law!), deprecating ( what could an immigrant possible offer the American economy!), strait to the absolute crazy ( we need to drag them out and shoot them, they aren't speaking English because they don't respect us, they are having kids to reconquest the United States).
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:43 AM
 
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That is what everyone has been saying.
Yes but streamlining the process is not to grant an amnesty or reward those who have cheated and broken our laws.
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:49 AM
 
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If the only people who will do farm work are illegals, then there would not be more people on social programs if the farms that hire them go out of business because the illegals aren't supposed to be on social programs.

There are only about 1 million jobs in agriculture including the fisheries. Not all farms hire only illegals, but you're not talking about all that many people out of work if these farms hiring only illegals fail.
Yeah, you're not understanding the post you quoted. I was talking about the industries that exist to support agriculture being devastated if we have a significant loss of agricultural production if a significant increase in production costs causes a shift in agricultural production to countries that can produce cheaper, e.g. Mexico.
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Old 07-22-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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Agricultural Workers, Other

From the government's Occupational Outlook 2008:

Agricultural workers held about 821,700 jobs in 2008. About one third was employed in animal production; some found employment in support activities for agriculture and forestry.

Overall employment is expected to show little or no change in employment. Fewer agricultural workers will be needed overall because of continued consolidation of farms and technological advancements in farm equipment that is raising output per farm worker. The agriculture industry also is expected to face increased competition from foreign countries and rising imports, particularly from Central America and China because of trade agreements with those regions. Nursery and greenhouse workers might experience some job growth in this period, if the demand for landscaping plants resumes its growth pattern.
This is what I'm talking about. Agriculture is a huge economic driver for many parts of the country. If there is a significant contraction in agricultural production due to competition from these other countries it will not be a good thing economically for us and many more of those natural-born American citizens that you seem to care sooo much about will be hurt. It is asinine to put agricultural producers at further risk simply because they may have hired employees who didn't like the idea of waiting a quarter century to get a chance to come into the country to work.
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:25 AM
 
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LOLZ- those places they live would be insta demolished. Most of the places they live only devalue neighboring housing. Oh knows, what will we do without all of those mobile home parks where the brown people used to live

lolz
Thank you for demonstrating that you have no idea how the housing market works.
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:38 AM
 
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Because if someone wants to contract with someone else to do a job they don't need someone else to step in with a gun and tell them they can only contract with the people they agree with.



In the literal sense they are breaking the law, but a law needs some rational behind it. Currently it is illegal to carry a waffle cone in your back pocket on a Sunday in Georgia and it is illegal to have more than 6 dildos at a time in Texas? So why not the outcry at the person who has 7 dildos or has a waffle cone in his back pocket on a hot Georgia day? Because on some level we recognize that these laws aren't really harming another person. The current immigration laws are inefficient, harmful to the American economy, and harmful to people who want to contract with other people without the months or years long headache of getting approval of a government bureaucrat for someone to mow their lawn.
Would you give your extra food to a starving illegal alien or your starving
neighbor? You can only choose one.

No, I think there are a myriad of reasons why someone wouldn't want immigration, most of them having to do with economic reasons. People not wanting competition for their jobs ( How dare someone come in and offer to do my job for less!) or don't want social services ( which usually they don't want to pay anyways) go to people who they feel don't deserve it ( what makes them deserve it or not I have no idea). I think this dovetails nicely into racial or nationalistic populism where people clamor for their jobs to be safe and protected, their "way of life" protected" and their views of things enforced. The negative aspect of this is a biological essecialism of "the other" which leads to dehumanizing ( immigrants are leaches and know nothing but breaking the law!), deprecating ( what could an immigrant possible offer the American economy!), strait to the absolute crazy ( we need to drag them out and shoot them, they aren't speaking English because they don't respect us, they are having kids to reconquest the United States).
Tell that to our government that they have no right to make labor, employment and immigration laws. Your post just parrots the tag team in here of late. You need to educate yourself on the overal negatives of illegal immigration for our own citizens and no, foreigners especially here illegally should not and do not have the same rights to jobs and benefits as citizens do.

By the way, you keep using the word "immigrant" when this is the illegal immigration forum. The subject being discussed is not immigrants. Bye, I will not read anymore anti-American, anti-American worker, anti-immigration laws implying that this is a race issue nonsense by you tag team members.
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