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Old 07-20-2011, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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So why do you ask for gov't studies then even? I mean, every study I can find except for ones published by CIS and their sister organization say these costs, if any, are modest yet you deny deny deny. Then of course if the gov't says something you can construe as a figure you want to use then the gov't is a-ok lol.

Do you think they just estimated these local and state costs or actually got them from the hospitals, schools, and states?
I ask for government reports to prove that NONE, at least none based on actual data, exist. They are ALL pure speculation. And, why do you think they refuse to maintain an accurate accounting?

There are numerous reports from hospitals, and most have encountered problems due to illegal immigration. Sadly, some have even closed.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:28 PM
 
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Please explain how early immigrants "came here legally"...
Please explain how most of them didn't.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:30 PM
 
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Well if the math were as solid as you claim why can't they decide what to cut?
Why would they insist on the waste of billions of dollars if they had hard numbers?
never made the claim anything would be a fairy land.
Now I am always civil towards you.
The budget issue like most the woes of our gov are a result of people relying on funny numbers instead of facts. Imagine if you ran your household budget in this manner?
Well if i get 20 hours of overtime each week and I have friends donate money and and and I ll be able to afford....
Thats how the fed operates.
They cant count their ballz and get the same number twice.
Why do projects seldom come in on budget?
Yet private business seems to be able to manage it?
CBO another way to say bullsheet artists.

I suppose all those non-partisan non gov't groups that say pretty much the same thing are bias and bad at math too. Find me a study not from a white nationalist organization that says they are a huge drain.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:31 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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But I wanted to talk about the "illegal aliens" of the past. They were able to slip through the system, and not raise any suspicion that they were among the population. Clearly those rules of the past are important enough now for quite a few people here to state that they are sure their ancestors "came here legally" (and worked hard, in English, on top of all that too).
We didnít have untold millions illegally living in our country. Nor were they receiving billions in tax-funded benefits. Therein lies the difference.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I suppose all those non-partisan non gov't groups that say pretty much the same thing are bias and bad at math too. Find me a study not from a white nationalist organization that says they are a huge drain.
all have an agenda. But if you want to trust the FED feel free.
How is it that the Fed can claim not to know the actual number of illegals and yet can also make a guess on the costs?
How do they know? More to the point how can they know?
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I suppose all those non-partisan non gov't groups that say pretty much the same thing are bias and bad at math too. Find me a study not from a white nationalist organization that says they are a huge drain.
Donít you understand? Both sides have a vested interest in illegal immigration. Why do you think nothing has been done to resolve this issue? Címon, use your head.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:36 PM
 
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But I wanted to talk about the "illegal aliens" of the past. They were able to slip through the system, and not raise any suspicion that they were among the population. Clearly those rules of the past are important enough now for quite a few people here to state that they are sure their ancestors "came here legally" (and worked hard, in English, on top of all that too).
Why? Those people are all dead now. Most didn't come here illegally anyway and it is irrelevant to what our immigration laws are today.

LOL! Speaking of slipping through the system, isn't that what at least 12 million illegal aliens have done in the past couple of decades or so? So just what is your point?

What is this vandetta you have against our fair and just immigration laws in place today? Just what is your stake and motive for defending illegal aliens today?
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:38 PM
 
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Donít you understand? Both sides have a vested interest in illegal immigration. Why do you think nothing has been done to resolve this issue? Címon, use your head.
So only the white nationalist groups can make any sense of it eh? lol.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Please explain how most of them didn't.
The notion of anything approaching "legal" (pseudo-approved) transit to the United States didn't begin until the ship lines were tasked with doing a minimal amount of documentation on the passengers they were bringing here. My argument is with the terminology "came here legally". It is unsupportable in the method it is being used.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I ask for government reports to prove that NONE, at least none based on actual data, exist. They are ALL pure speculation. And, why do you think they refuse to maintain an accurate accounting?

There are numerous reports from hospitals, and most have encountered problems due to illegal immigration. Sadly, some have even closed.
Here is but a sample of the impact on hospitals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLJxmJZXgNIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlltSVSHKWQ
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