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Of course, what you don't mention is that most people can't use ANY of those ways to come here legally.
That’s funny. I wonder how the U.S. admits more legal immigrants than all other countries combined, if MOST are unable to enter through our current immigration process. Hmmm. . .
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Simplistic plans like this are shortsighted since jobs aren't fungible.
So, notwithstanding our record high unemployment, the U.S. should continue to grant work visas to foreigners. After all, what country would actually consider the employment of its citizens a priority?
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Who is being promised a quick path to citizenship via coming here illegally?
What requirements other than paying a nominal fee, and “eventually” learning English has been proposed for those who are currently here illegally? What lengthy process will illegals endure? Mind you, they will not be required to return home and wait in line like others.
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This is total baloney. Anyone who is willing to not pay all that stuff could also pay US citizens under the table just as well.
And if people are actually doing this to illegals, why do all the illegals need to commit ID fraud to get bogus SSNs etc? Just for the fun of it?
Some employers of illegals do so unknowingly. However, many do in fact knowingly employ illegals and do not pay the required taxes or insurance. Otherwise, they would not be “cheap” labor.
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"We are seeing an uptick," said Melvina Ford, the executive director of the DC Employment Justice Center, which provides legal advice and assistance to low-income workers. "If I am an employer looking not to pay employees, I am going to choose the employee least likely to make a claim against me."
In 2008, the Department of Labor collected more than $57 million in unpaid back pay from employers in low-wage industries, an increase of $5 million from the previous year.
Arielle Rosenberg works for the Seattle, Washington, non-profit organization CASA Latina, which helps both legal and undocumented workers with employment disputes. She said immigrants are being targeted by some employers.
WHEREAS, unscrupulous employers exploit undocumented workers by paying them substandard wages, and avoid paying employee payroll and other taxes, and these actions hurt all U.S. workers by driving down labor standards and depriving federal, state, and local governments of revenues
She has heard stories of employees not allowed to use the restroom or being forced to relieve themselves outside. Construction, restaurant and domestic workers most often face these situations, she said.
Elena, who also didn’t want her real name used, is an illegal immigrant who was taken advantage of in the restaurant and domestic industries.
She is fighting wage theft against two previous employers with the help of ARISE Chicago Worker Center. The organization provided her with the knowledge of her rights that gave her the confidence to fight, she said.
The checks the contractor issued to him and about 30 other workers on various projects bounced, though the employees kept working for several more weeks in hopes of finally getting paid, Ezparza said. Then, the company declared bankruptcy and nobody was paid anything, he said.
During a meeting Saturday with a U.S. Department of Labor director, Ezparza and a group of other mostly immigrant workers said such cases are on the rise as jobs become more scarce and people like them become more desperate.
But, because many of those workers are too afraid to lodge a formal complaint, the practice is allowed to continue, countered Jules Van Rengen, a director with the U.S. Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division.
The FACTS are that illegals make more than minimum wage, they have taxes withheld just like everyone else, their employers fund everything that they're supposed to (this is why the employers aren't prosecuted, they're FOLLOWING THE LAW!).
Okay, please cite the illegal alien wage FACTS.
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The "underground economy" hurts government and private businesses. It directly affects government’s ability to fund public services such as education, public safety, and human services. It also undercuts legitimate private businesses. It is imperative—especially in hard economic times—for state governments to take action by holding tax cheats accountable.
Employers who pay an employee under the table or misclassify an employee as an independent contractor, do not pay their allotted taxes and avoid other payroll obligations. This results in billions of dollars of lost revenue to state governments that would be used to provide essential public services.
America has two economies: First, there's the legitimate economy, in which craftsmen are licensed and employers and employees pay taxes. Then there's the fast-growing underground economy, where millions of nannies, construction workers, landscapers and others are paid off the books, their incomes largely untaxed. The best guess as to the size of the output of this shadow economy is about $970 billion, or nearly 9% that of the real economy. It could soon pass $1 trillion.
What is largely fueling the underground economy, experts say, is the nation's growing ranks of low-wage, illegal immigrants. The government puts this population at 8.5 million, but that may represent a serious undercount. Robert Justich, a senior managing director at Bear Stearns Asset Management, makes a persuasive case in a recent research report that illegal immigrants actually number 18 million to 20 million. If that's true, the economic implications are profound and could help shape this year's debates over both immigration policies and tax reform.
The Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition (http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/05apr/econ_underground.htm - broken link)
Coming here and/or living here legally is a priviledge. NOT A RIGHT.
If they are denied a visa, tough sh*t. We have immigration laws for a reason.
If 10 strangers were to knock on your door now and say "we are coming in". Would you just say "Okay, sure... Feel at home!"
I don't think so.
Exactly, even if I am feeling generous and I only have 3 beds to spare the other 7 will have to accept the fact that I only have room for 3 and they will not be allowed stay in my home.
In other words when there is no more room at the inn for various reasons, you don't crash the gate anyway. "Room" in the case of immigration means jobs, resources and a lot of other things it takes to sustain a person without negatively impacting the natives who have a right to be here.
That’s funny. I wonder how the U.S. admits more legal immigrants than all other countries combined, if MOST are unable to enter through our current immigration process. Hmmm. . .
What does how many people other countries allow to immigrate have anything to do with it?
Obviously and unsurprisingly, more people WANT to immigrate to the US than other countries. So just saying "yeah well the US allows more in legally than anyone else" doesn't disprove that huge numbers of people have NO LEGAL WAY to immigrate into the US. At all.
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What requirements other than paying a nominal fee, and “eventually” learning English has been proposed for those who are currently here illegally?
A proposal is a lot different than an actual, existing path. And a proposal for amnesty is a lot different than a path to citizenship.
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Some employers of illegals do so unknowingly. However, many do in fact knowingly employ illegals and do not pay the required taxes or insurance. Otherwise, they would not be “cheap” labor.
Okay, please cite the illegal alien wage FACTS.
Asked and answered about 200 times in this forum. As if pointing out one more time that the IRS and Social Security Administration KNOW that illegals are paying taxes will change your mind.
Can you please post reputable sources confirming your fantasy claims for once?
Thanks....
Are you serious?
A two-second google search will turn up literally THOUSANDS of actually reputable journalistic sources that will fill you in. You don't have to look for weird self-published reports from authors nobody can find any details on, or reports from CIS or other front organizations. Real, respected news sources with actual credibility.
What does how many people other countries allow to immigrate have anything to do with it?
Obviously and unsurprisingly, more people WANT to immigrate to the US than other countries. So just saying "yeah well the US allows more in legally than anyone else" doesn't disprove that huge numbers of people have NO LEGAL WAY to immigrate into the US. At all.
Yes, the U.S. is a preferred destination. However, that has no bearing on the FACT that the U.S. is THE most generous nation in the world for immigrants, which clearly dispels your myth that MOST are unable to enter legally. Or, by “most” do you mean most of a particular nationality YOU would like to see here legally?
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A proposal is a lot different than an actual, existing path. And a proposal for amnesty is a lot different than a path to citizenship.
Well golly gee willikers, I didn’t know that.
Allow me to refresh your memory. . .
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Who is being promised a quick path to citizenship via coming here illegally?
Again, what lengthy process will illegals have if they are summarily granted legalization, and offered a path to citizens? In case you don’t know, that is the “reformation” being proposed. Don’t you even know what you support?
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Asked and answered about 200 times in this forum. As if pointing out one more time that the IRS and Social Security Administration KNOW that illegals are paying taxes will change your mind.
So, all of the reports by illegal aliens claiming they are NOT being paid, and all of the reports which indicate a substantial percentage of illegals are working off the books, and thus paying ZERO taxes are all fabricated. Okay.
Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall seeing a wage report by industry to substantiate your claim that illegals are being paid above minimum wage. Would you mind posting?
Because some other guy once had to wait a long time, ergo everyone for the rest of eternity should have to suffer the same ridiculousness. Otherwise you'll just be subsidizing them!!!!
I'm not up on the current laws regarding how people can move here and become legal citizens. In the old days people came here from other countries, filled out the paperwork and became legal citizens...right? What is different now? Is the process so different? What are the reasons people won't go through with the legal process? In other words, why do people remain illegal? Or, maybe you have a link to the nuts and bolts of the issue? Please and thank you.
You just need to take a look at the Official Government Website:
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