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Old 07-21-2011, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Illegal is not being in the country Legally, if its hoping the border, expired Visa's fraud etc.....
Wasn't that covered in my definition that you responded to?...
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Old 07-21-2011, 12:40 PM
 
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I asked for proof that they "came here" legally first (in absence of a specific law). In regards to the status of U.S. citizenship, the rules have not changed over time (only expansion of whom can become a citizen). Past immigrants that came without status or improperly assumed the rights of citizens were in essence "amnestied" individually.

Doesn't that run contrary to "The Rule of Law"?...

If immigrants assimilated so well, why did Teddy Roosevelt feel the need to say that they weren't?...
You are missing the point.
There is a legal way to enter a country. That is why permanent visa's are issued for residency


Every country started as an immigrant country and each country set up an legal process to become a citizen of that republic.

When this country first started it took 5 years for an immigrant to become an American.
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Old 07-21-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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What part of "illegal" do you not understand?
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You are missing the point.
There is a legal way to enter a country. That is why permanent visa's are issued for residency

Every country started as an immigrant country and each country set up an legal process to become a citizen of that republic.

When this country first started it took 5 years for an immigrant to become an American.
Tell me how early immigrants entered the United States the "legal way"...

Didn't you tell me at one time that you had your U.S. citizenship from your "bloodlines", that your ancestors were citizens, so you were a citizen?...

If my Great Great Grandfather (of the certificate earlier in this thread) became a U.S. citizen after only 3 years and 11 months, did he get his citizenship improperly?...

What effect of whether it was or wasn't would that have on any of the rest of his life?...
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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I suppose all those non-partisan non gov't groups that say pretty much the same thing are bias and bad at math too. Find me a study not from a white nationalist organization that says they are a huge drain.
Try the Pew Institute of Hispanic Studies.
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Old 07-21-2011, 05:58 PM
 
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Of course, what you don't mention is that most people can't use ANY of those ways to come here legally.
Then those people shouldn't come here. No foreigner has the God given right to live in the United States.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Then those people shouldn't come here. No foreigner has the God given right to live in the United States.
Meaning all along for the history of the United States, or more recently?...

Define "God given", does that mean permission from the government outweighs the level you are attributing to God's blessing?...

Absolutely no foreigners?...
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:27 PM
 
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If you notice, he became a citizen 3 years and 11 months after landing in the United States. As a German, he wasn't restricted from coming (no Ellis Island at that point), and didn't pay to naturalize. Remarkably easy, right?

These days, they call people using the same methods "illegal aliens".
Different times, different era, different century, and different laws.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:34 PM
 
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Unlike you I think those rights are entitled to everyone, not just people born on this side of some line.
Some line? The Mexican government sure seems to think that this "some line" is pretty important because they'll arrest you and throw you into jail for crossing over it without their permission.
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Old 07-21-2011, 06:38 PM
 
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I asked for proof that they "came here" legally first (in absence of a specific law). In regards to the status of U.S. citizenship, the rules have not changed over time (only expansion of whom can become a citizen). Past immigrants that came without status or improperly assumed the rights of citizens were in essence "amnestied" individually.

Doesn't that run contrary to "The Rule of Law"?...

If immigrants assimilated so well, why did Teddy Roosevelt feel the need to say that they weren't?...
Just what is your beef with our immigration policies today? I don't give a rat's behind about the past and neither should you. Those people are all dead now and our policies have changed over time for various reasons.

As for Roosevelt's remark perhaps he was just trying to reiterate to new immigrants what was expected of them. That doesn't mean that many or most weren't assimilating in a timely manner.
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