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Do you not listen to the news, all the time the news states costs and statistics for illegal immigrants using state benefits. 6.1 billion in 2010 in Calif. for education of illegals. 82% of all welfare payments in L.A. is going to illegals.
As someone who works in healthcare information systems I'm very interested in what methodology Benicar thinks hospitals use to determine citizenship status and how it is "better" than any government data.
You guys certainly enjoy twisting my words. The ONLY government agencies I have issues with, and this pertains to illegal immigration exclusively, are Census, SSA, IRS, and USCIS. They have NO data source, period. Regarding the methodology used by hospitals to determine illegal status, I have already illustrated how, in my opinion, it can be done. Obviously, they wouldn’t attribute a percentage of their deficit to illegal immigration if they could not ascertain their immigration status.
If you work in healthcare IT, and sincerely want to know their methodology, I would think it would be rather easy to simply inquire. Why don’t you ask the hospital administrator and then report back to us?
You guys certainly enjoy twisting my words. The ONLY government agencies I have issues with, and this pertains to illegal immigration exclusively, are Census, SSA, IRS, and USCIS. They have NO data source, period.
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Apparently you have missed the numerous times I have mentioned the ineptitude of the federal government. And, yes, when relevant, I have linked to federal government sources.But, after a thorough assessment of their data source, or lack thereof, I have come to the realization that NONE of their data is credible. Now, are you willing to acknowledge the same?
Is it possible that "Gloria Sanchez" is also able to legally have the same Social Security number as you? How many available combinations of digits are in the number compared to the entire U.S. population of 310+ million? I suggest you contact Gloria Sanchez (but not misuse her legitimate Social Security number in the process) to apologize for your failure to understand math, and assuming any illegality because of her (or her husband's) surname.
If you can verify your name against the number, why can't the IRS, credit organizations, and employers do the same?...
IBMMuseum, first I had to put a hold on my credit 3 years ago as this person applied for credit using my SS#, and there were 13 inquires on my equifax report. Also, the IRS and I had attempted to sort out my income versus hers. Although the amount she added was minimum it was still on my taxes. She did have a W-2 and the company was notified (so I was told) after I proved who I am to the IRS. Why do I need to apologize for my failure to understand math? I understand math quite well sir. What kind of stupid question is that? Also, your suggestion to find her is as useless as most of your posts. Since you are for illegal immigration why not take them under your roof. feed them, clothe them, etc.
IBMMuseum, first I had to put a hold on my credit 3 years ago as this person applied for credit using my SS#, and there were 13 inquires on my equifax report. Also, the IRS and I had attempted to sort out my income versus hers. Although the amount she added was minimum it was still on my taxes. She did have a W-2 and the company was notified (so I was told) after I proved who I am to the IRS. Why do I need to apologize for my failure to understand math? I understand math quite well sir. What kind of stupid question is that? Also, your suggestion to find her is as useless as most of your posts. Since you are for illegal immigration why not take them under your roof. feed them, clothe them, etc.
How was she able to apply for credit with her name and the same Social Security number to show up on your credit report? When the IRS sees a different name come up for the Social Security number they are equally confused by it? Something for the manner you are explaining what happened to you seems strange.
More so, without any other detail than her surname available to you, why do you assume she is an illegal alien?...
How was she able to apply for credit with her name and the same Social Security number to show up on your credit report? When the IRS sees a different name come up for the Social Security number they are equally confused by it? Something for the manner you are explaining what happened to you seems strange.
More so, without any other detail than her surname available to you, why do you assume she is an illegal alien?...
You’d be surprised at the prevalence of this crime. Until recently, due to E-Verify, most illegals used their actual names or an alias while using a stolen SSN. The same applies to those who steal an SSN, and then purchase cars, houses, etc.
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An undocumented immigrant worker managed to use Steve Millet's Social Security number for more than 10 years before the incident was discovered. Millet said the imposter managed to obtain a dozen credit cards, buy a car, and even a house using the stolen number and his own name. All the while, that imposter paid taxes, paid into Social Security, and took out loans using the stolen Social Security Number. All of those agencies had a record of the abused SSN; none bothered to tell Steve Millet.
Tell me, did I include ALL government agencies in my thorough assessment? Or, did I limit it to Census, SSA, IRS, and USCIS?
I have no idea what you included in your so-called assessment.
What I do know is that in the post I quoted, you mention the "federal government" by name twice, and you never mention any specific agencies. So when, in the third sentence, you dismiss all of "their" data, it's clear to anyone who can read that you're referring the federal government.
Once again, the point is that your defenses are malleable depending upon the situation, and you've yet again taken a stance that is in opposition to something you'd previously said. That's not a particularly convincing method by which to convince people that your position holds water.
You guys certainly enjoy twisting my words. The ONLY government agencies I have issues with, and this pertains to illegal immigration exclusively, are Census, SSA, IRS, and USCIS. They have NO data source, period. Regarding the methodology used by hospitals to determine illegal status, I have already illustrated how, in my opinion, it can be done. Obviously, they wouldn’t attribute a percentage of their deficit to illegal immigration if they could not ascertain their immigration status.
If you work in healthcare IT, and sincerely want to know their methodology, I would think it would be rather easy to simply inquire. Why don’t you ask the hospital administrator and then report back to us?
Private hospital officials generally don't divulge actual costs of treatment, considering the information proprietary to their business model. But under the law, taxpayer-supported hospitals have to be more transparent.
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Health care costs for illegal immigrants, a hot-button issue in the health care reform debate, vary widely because of the difficulty in obtaining accurate information on illegal immigrants.
Hospital's data elements are no better than U.S. Census data and hospital's billing information is required to be passed along to the State in any case.
Hospitals don't collect have the information available to in order to extrapolate the citizenship of a person. SS numbers are not always provided and not providing one does not indicate citizenship ( people don't remember it, forgot the card, etc), foreign born information isn't asked either, and billing information can be cross referenced but of course that data is only very specific to that hospital and can't be cross referenced to a person's citizenship. Hospitals can be very confident in saying that when a SS information is not provided the costs are X but beyond that it would be very difficult to say with any certainty.
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...Until recently, due to E-Verify, most illegals used their actual names or an alias while using a stolen SSN...
My comment was also why there was an assumption about immigration status based on nothing more than a surname...
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