Should the US deport illegal immigrants and do more to prevent their arrival? (2015, ethic)
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In other words, the ones who entered this country legally after first getting permission from our government.
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Originally Posted by malamute
That's not how all the ancestors of Americans came. Some came in slave ships. You do realize not all Americans came from Europe don't you?
How people got here 300 or 400 years ago though is not the issue. We cannot control what happened 400 years ago, and it has no bearing on policies today.
We are a post NAFTA nation where very few jobs are created but also we are a giant welfare nation where many illegals can come and give birth and never have to worry about work.
There are roughly one million jobs in agriculture and the number of agricultural jobs are falling. We simply do not need 30 million agricultural workers.
This isn't in relation to how many jobs there are. This is in relation to those who declare that their ancestors worked hard to come here obeying all the rules when those rules amounted to almost exactly what illegal aliens do if not less.
Meh, the economic and population differences between then and now are much different. It is apples and oranges. Sorry, times they are a changing. Immigration reform needs to change to keep up. Letting millions upon millions of people come here illegally is not the right solution. It also is not fair to those following current laws.
Are you saying statistics can't be manipulated?
Are you saying the accuracy of statistics isn't based on the accuracy of the data used?
So do we know how many illegals are actually here or is it guess?
Do they count illegals like some states count wild game? take a few samples from a few areas and like magic we know the head count?
All I can say is thank god there are so many vocal proponents for deporting all of the illegal immigrants. It would seem there is too much effort on other issues such as extreme military spending, high unemployment and child hunger in the US to warrant any further outrage or in depth thought. Perhaps when FoxNews shows a clip of a starving inner city child, a family without jobs who've just lost their home or the comparison of US military spending vs the rest of the world (6 times), teeny-weeny American minds might yet comprehend that Illegal Immigration is somehow not the reason for all of our ills. The finger-pointing does serve a purpose for the Neo-Conservatives in that it distracts from their inability to solve any real social issues and to that I say congratulations, it's working.
Talked to my Deceased Ancestors last night late. They all would like a word with you?
And how dare you comapre my Ancestors who sweat and went thru so much heartache, to become citizens. To those lawbreakers who come here illegally, and break our laws, know what you talking about, before you make statements, you know nothing about?
How much "heartache" was to actually become U.S. citizens? You're confusing some work ethic and travel difficulties into a Starship Troopers theme that somehow earned them citizenship here. Later ancestors of your would have "earned" that same citizenship just by being born here.
The person making that comparison served most of the last 25 years for this country, more in line with that concept of truly "earned" citizenship. I legally immigrated my wife and stepchildren through a long and costly process, how dare you compare the actual means that some of your ancestors went through to come here to that (with my family not even U.S. citizens yet). On this forum it isn't even restrained to focus on illegal immigration, but to talk smack about Mexico and Mexicans, whether they are immigrating or not.
Word away, your ancestors can answer me through you to how they actually gained citizenship, not anything else you want to attach to it...
Hint, it's going to be very similar to my Great Great Grandfather, illustrious as he was, but just coming down to filling out a single page of paper...
In other words, the ones who entered this country legally after first getting permission from our government.
How about the foreigners that came here without going through an immigration depot? Was there any checks when filling out a citizenship document as to how they arrived? Your principles differ with the times an event is placed in.
Why dont you go ahead and run through the errors in their methodologies and explain the margins for error and how far off they are. Show your work.
Waiting for the explanation of how they got an accurate head count to begin with.
Save the census explanation because the fed even admitted that they were concerned that illegals wouldnt participate.
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